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An Upset Future Captain

from Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press,

The frustration was there in Dylan Larkin’s voice, there in his face.

His Detroit Red Wings — and they are his, because at 22 years old, he has established himself as the driving force of the rebuilding process — had just lost their 23rd game of the season, had just lost another game even though they played well, and did more things right than wrong. They’ve done that every game since New Year’s Eve, but have one victory over their past 10 games, and three victories their past 15 games.

“It’s getting frustrating, it has been frustrating,” Larkin said after the Wings fell 4-2 Friday at MTS Place to the Winnipeg Jets. “I thought for parts we outplayed them, the majority of the game we outplayed them, but how can we keep coming in here and saying that?

“Something has to click here. Something has to change where we buy in. Something has to click where we buy into total team defense.”

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Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News with this...

Only two teams — Philadelphia (38) and Los Angeles (37) — have fewer points than the Wings right now.

more on the game...

Below, watch the post-game talk....

Abdelkader, Cholowski, Glendening and Blashill.

 

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Royal Grand Exalted PooBah's avatar

I would suggest a team building exercise and a day off to releave the pressure a little. Determination is great until it make you grip the stick too tight.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 01/12/19 at 10:18 AM ET

Chet's avatar

No. To see these things includes coaching and management. They lost the 2009 Stanley Cup in large part because of Jonathan Ericsson and his blunders, and literally 10 years later, he is still on the *#$%@& team, still sucking. It is absolute nonsense, inexplicable, managerial malpractice, but here we are.

He is right about these things, and as a team leader, should keep addressing this. The defensive problem is not going anywhere soon. Forwards at fault too.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 01/12/19 at 10:51 AM ET

RWBill's avatar

I thought Brad Stuart mada a couple of turnovers in Game 7 of 2009 that lead to the deciding goals, but could be wrong.  Big E (also known as ShitBox 52 at Herm2Hockeytown) has certainly made a number of turnovers, consistently, and never became a physical force on the back line that his physique would allow.

Posted by RWBill on 01/12/19 at 11:12 AM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

The two things that stood out to me last night is that Vanek looks like he’s done as an NHL player. Whether there’s something wrong with him physically or mentally, he’s not the guy we had two years ago.

And Larkin looked absolutely gassed last night. I know he’s only 22 but he’s averaging almost 22 minutes a night. I certainly wouldn’t sit him, but I’d give some of his minutes to AA whose only averaging 16 minutes right now. I love Larkin’s passion, but the coach is there to insert some common sense every now and then. Oh, wait. Never mind.

Only two teams — Philadelphia (38) and Los Angeles (37) — have fewer points than the Wings right now.

And there’s the silver lining in all of this.

On the other hand, with the luck the Wings have had, they’ll end up in the #1 draft position and then lose the lottery draw.

For now, I just want to see them either win or lose in regulation. Those “loser points” for an overtime or shootout loss only screws up their possible draft position. Win one, lose two (12-24-0) is what I’d like to see for the rest of the year.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 01/12/19 at 12:00 PM ET

ilovehomers's avatar

Sounds like Larkin is backing up he coach here.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/12/19 at 12:15 PM ET

Hootinani's avatar

Larkin can thank his coach, GM and head scout for his frustrations

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 01/12/19 at 01:49 PM ET

ilovehomers's avatar

Larkin can thank his coach, GM and head scout for his frustrations

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 01/12/19 at 12:49 PM ET

If you say so sweetie

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/12/19 at 03:05 PM ET

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You are correct RWBill, Stuart turnovers killed us in game 7 in 2009.

Posted by VPalmer on 01/12/19 at 05:07 PM ET

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‘On the other hand, with the luck the Wings have had, they’ll end up in the #1 draft position and then lose the lottery draw.’

I guess it’s that time of year when I have to point out the completely inaccurate viewpoints of draftists (In Vancouver, Canuck fans have been draftists longer than us so I’ve endured it for quite a few years now)

The correct thinking is that you have to get *extremely lucky* to win the draft lottery, even as the worst team. Last draft, Buffalo only had an 18.5% chance of winning it. That means they lose it *more than 4 times out of 5*. It’s simple statistics.

This idea that we, as fans, should root for our team to lose for better nhl draft odds is so misguided. If the team was losing 70 games out of 82, everyone would be celebrating in the streets… to have bad odds to win the lottery? I don’t get it. Yes, fine, the worst team has better odds than any other single team… but you are still a huge dog to the field. Way better off to cheer for your team, have them win games while striving for the playoffs and falling short, and still have decent odds at the top pick while having a team thats closer to contending (and this Red Wings team this year looks a lot better than last year for potential… we are in a lot of games, and just havent been able to close out the wins)

Not to mention, it should hurt your heart to cheer against your team. I can’t do it, and never will. There are also other intangibles, such as having your team being accustomed to losing, that are reasons to want your team to win instead of being ‘losers’.

It’s also not as if having the top draft pick automatically makes you a Stanley Cup winner. For every Penguins situation, there is an Oilers team as a counterpoint. As an Oilers fan, you’ve lost a lot of games and been extremely lucky to have top draft picks… but where has it got them? Nowhere. Ok, fine, they managed to finally secure the best player in the league, currently, but they dont have a complete team around him.

Personally? I hope they keep playing spirited games where they are competing at a higher level… and then maybe they still have 5th or 6th best odds for #1. I don’t want to watch them have the best odds and miss (statistically, the likely outcome)

Posted by arkose on 01/12/19 at 07:01 PM ET

Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

“It’s getting frustrating, it has been frustrating,” Larkin said after the Wings fell 4-2 Friday at MTS Place to the Winnipeg Jets. “I thought for parts we outplayed them, the majority of the game we outplayed them, but how can we keep coming in here and saying that?

“Something has to click here. Something has to change where we buy in. Something has to click where we buy into total team defense.”

Sounds like Larkin is frustrated with the same message being repeated over and over ad nauseam. He repeats “Something has to change” three times. Seems to me like he’s calling out the messenger (Blashill).


Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 01/12/19 at 07:09 PM ET

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“Something has to click here. Something has to change where we buy in. Something has to click where we buy into total team defense.”

Yah no. That’s not a shot at Blashill. At all. Lol

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/12/19 at 07:51 PM ET

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Somehow I doubt blashill is having a hard time buying into total team defense. Isn’t he the guy that was infamously criticized for asking Brndan Smith and Athanasiou to play defense?

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/12/19 at 08:02 PM ET

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This idea that we, as fans, should root for our team to lose for better nhl draft odds is so misguided. If the team was losing 70 games out of 82, everyone would be celebrating in the streets… to have bad odds to win the lottery? I don’t get it.

Another “better” way to look at it is to somewhat ignore the lottery. By finishing with the worst record a team is guaranteed no lower than the 3rd overall pick.

I’m still a fan and definitely root for the Wings to win each game. I’m just not as heartbroken if they don’t win, especially if they play pretty well and compete hard. What I really want is to return to long-term success and I think that requires more elite level talent. To get this I think the Wings need to be drafting in the top 5.

With the way the draft is currently configured, I don’t think that finishing in 17th place (or just missing the playoffs) has more benefit than finishing in the bottom 3. If you want to look at it statiscally, consider the odds are that a team finishing in the bottom 3 has of drafting in spots 1-5 AND look at the probability that a player draft in spots 1-5 turns into an All Star, wins a major award or scores X points. Now compare that to the odds drafting at 15. You quickly discover while many of us would prefer to finish lower than just miss the playoffs or even make the playoffs and get bounced in round 1.

Posted by evileye on 01/14/19 at 10:43 AM ET

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