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Yzerman’d Again, eh Dater?

Despite what George might write about me, I don’t blast away to intentionally rile the unwashed.  If a little angst on their part is a byproduct? I have no problem with that.  The whole idea behind A2Y has always been to write like we talk and speak what we think.  Because it’s fun. 

So, because we do this for fun, I’ll tell you that if you click the “continue reading” thing, I’m going to rip Adrian Dater, the city of Denver, the franchise that was stolen from Quebec and probably make a few claims about how bringing Kyle Quincey back to the land of honey and Cups shouldn’t surprise anyone because the Wings do business like that.  Whereas the Dive? Not so much.

George—-and hey George..I have no problem with your description of me earlier today. I dig you, brother—-dissected the Dater piece earlier. He clinically ripped it to shreds because that’s what George does.  He’s logical. He’s methodical. He’s tireless.

That’s not really how we roll here, though. See, when I read something like...

Personally, I never had any problems covering a guy like Quincey, but I never felt like I had any bond with him at all either. I suspect I’m not alone in that feeling.

When I read that, I’m reminded that Dater writes like a scorned woman.  It’s natural, really. He’s covered that fake franchise for more than a decade, close to twenty years probably.  He practically literally cries when the Denver “fans” don’t show up to watch more garbage hockey from a team with no coach, no goalie, no depth and no future. 

But don’t get Dater wrong. No.  While it’s sad for all of us that Dater never “bonded” with one his idols, the real reason he’s choked up today is because the team he despises right down to the core of his Oprah-induced consititution stole Quincey and left the Dive with a third-line bum that will waste away in Denver until his jersey is retired some time this April. 

And the Wings did it with the help of Steve Yzerman.  Oh golly, Dr. Dater…that’s gotta hurt.  It’s really gotta hurt because you know that, while Kenny Holland and The Captain didn’t “conspire”, they at least shared a chuckle when the deal was done. You know they did.  You don’t set aside the animosity that easily.  Well, maybe they can and did. But I doubt it. 

Holland, I believe I may have read somewhere, offered a first-rounder.  Whoever the GM in Denver is these days said no because dealing with the Wings would ostracize the last 4 people who care about that team.  Yzerman offered Downie. Denver said yes.  Stevie Y called his mentor. Six minutes later Quincey’s on his way back to Hockeytown and Dater’s rocking back and forth in a puddle of his own urine.  Beauty.

Don’t worry, though, Adrienne’s gonna get us boy. Watch out.

Fact is, I’d take Vancouver over the Wings in a playoff matchup right now. Plus, Pavel Datsyuk just had knee surgery. The Wings said he’ll only miss two weeks, but the Wings are famous for underreporting the severity of injuries to the public. You might as well put “Times three” next to any Wings public proclamation for how long a guy will be out, or how long it’ll take for him to be effective again.

I literally LOL’d when I read that. Not because Vancouver’s a pushover. But because Dater is so transparent and pathetic.  Poor little Dater.  The bitch comes out so easily.  “Fact it, I’d take Vancouver…”  Go ahead. Take them.  What about Denver, Adrian?  How will they fare in April?  Not quite ready to touch on that little ditty now are you? 

Such an emotional little fella.  Read. React. Write. Send.  Like a blogger. Like me, really.  But that takes us back to the beginning.  Me? I’m a barstooler. I do it for free and for fun.  Dater?  A real life Digger. A journalist, even.  Neutral. Composed. Thoughtful.

Riggggghhhtttttt.  Too bad, Adrienne.  Stevie Y got you again.

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GrahamWIIM's avatar

I’d take Vancouver over the Wings in a playoff matchup right now.

Yea? Well my dad can beat up your dad.

Posted by GrahamWIIM from Chicago via Toronto on 02/22/12 at 11:44 AM ET

42jeff's avatar

Six minutes later Quincey’s on his way back to Hockeytown and Dater’s rocking back and forth in a puddle of his own urine.

Chief, are you saying he wasn’t rocking back and forth in a puddle of his own urine even before the trade?

Interesting…..getting soft Chief?

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/22/12 at 11:49 AM ET

Nathan's avatar

Adrienne is just trolling. He’s the big dog in a small pond in a media market that hasn’t cared about hockey since the band broke up earlier in the decade. The only chip he has to rile up the fans, get website clicks, page views, and papers sold, is to prey on the old (now non-existent) rivalry between the Avs and Wings. With the game coming up on Saturday, the timing couldn’t have been better for him.

The real fact of the matter is that the Avs have run their organization really poorly for essentially 10 years now. On the other hand, the Wings have run THE sterling organization in hockey, and one of the best few in all of North American pro sports over that same time period.

Quincey will come here, fit in just fine, and there won’t be locker room issues. That’s the difference between a good and bad organization. Imagine you’re Quincey in Colorado with no prospects of winning a damn thing. You’d probably default to selfish because the better/more you play and the better you look, the better chance you have of getting an offer sheet when you turn RFA or enticing GMs on top teams at the deadline to make serious pitches to acquire you.

The Ferraro/O’Reilly thing is just straight trolling, with no attempt to even critically think about the situation. Of course, at this point, with hindsight to help us, it looks like Holland and Nill picked the wrong guy. It happens. The draft is not a thing where the best teams hit close to 100%, let alone 50%. And the overall draft record of Holland and Nill is just oustanding.

Furthermore, let’s look at Ferraro specifically—he had three strong seasons in junior, and while his offensive numbers weren’t right at the top of the WHL, you have to realize he played on one of the worst teams (and worst offenses) in the league. He also sustained significant knee and groin injuries two seasons in a row, and is only now finally into a stretch of health and regular play unlike anything he’s seen since early 2009. Also consider that his best offensive asset is his raw speed, and recovering that speed from knee and groin injuries is a longer process than actually getting back into game action.

As a Wings fan, don’t get me wrong, Ferraro’s development has been disappointing. But he’s not even 21 yet, finally in a stretch of good health, and inside an organization that is always more than willing (and often prefers) to have prospects stay in the AHL and play big minutes as long as possible. There’s still plenty of potential and hope to be had with Ferraro.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 02/22/12 at 11:52 AM ET

Rdwings28's avatar

maybe the feeling is mutual for Steve Y. Still got the competitive bug doncha Captain?

Posted by Rdwings28 on 02/22/12 at 11:55 AM ET

Paul's avatar

Surprised Dater can handle more than one task at times.  He was also chasing down this story…via Twitter,

Word from Sweden: Foppa’s fiancee pregnant.

Today he is going to tell us who he thinks is the father.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/22/12 at 11:57 AM ET

Rdwings28's avatar

Today he is going to tell us who he thinks is the father.

Zing!

Posted by Rdwings28 on 02/22/12 at 12:11 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

The Red Wings have four players on their roster with more points than O’Reilly (who is Denver’s leading scorer).  All of them were chosen later than the 2nd round.

It’s hilarious how deep in their heads the Wings still are after all these years. They drop an 18 -year old fresh out of the draft into the NHL and make him sink or swim. This time, the guy actually swims and all they can think about is the draft selection immediately before him.

Notice they don’t ever bring up Philippe Paradis, or Carter Ashton, or Dyan Olsen.  The New York Islanders are never drawn as the club with the wailing and the gnashing of teeth because they grabbed Mikko Koskinen with the #31.

Nope, but the squad they wished their Avalanche had turned out to be drafts and develops in such a way so they don’t have to potentially derail the careers of 2nd rounders before they’re ready must be absolutely SICK that Ryan O’Reily isn’t tearing it up in the AHL right now.

This isn’t even winning a game. Avs fans bringing this narrative are essentially bragging that on one turn of Monopoly, they got a higher dice roll than we did. Nevermind they missed Free Parking and landed on a Marvin Gardens with a hotel on it, they got to move more spaces and that tiny thing is way more important than owning all the spaces on the board.

Dater’s a clown.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/22/12 at 12:29 PM ET

Alan's avatar

I kinda feel bad for Dater.

I mean, sitting in a puddle of your own urine has got to leave a rash or something. Hope he gets that incontinence problem of his checked out somewhere.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 02/22/12 at 01:30 PM ET

bezukov's avatar

Dater is grasping for straws with this one.  Anybody who thinks that Downie over Quincey is an upgrade should put the bottle down for a little bit…. or maybe just drop it all down the hatch. 

In this deal the Wings got a young and capable defenseman that puts them in a much better situation considering the probable departure of Brad Stuart and the possible retirement of TPH.

The Avs got Steve Downie, complete with his -15 on the year, in a deal that doesn’t improve the team moving forward.  Yeah.  Big win for the Avs Dater.  Were you high when you wrote up that article?

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 02/22/12 at 02:00 PM ET

w2j2's avatar

Colorado gets Downie.

Downie is the modern equivalent of Claude Lemieux.

The Dive never changes. 

They are still living in 1996.

Posted by w2j2 on 02/22/12 at 02:06 PM ET

Nathan's avatar

I actually think it is a good deal for all three teams involved. Wings would’ve needed an affordable way to hedge their best with Stuart this summer regardless, and they also were able to improve the third pairing pretty significantly for the here and now while they are legitimately contending.

Tampa doesn’t need to completely rebuild, but they do need to restock in the picks department after they exceeded expectations last year and made some trades to try and take advantage of it. They get a pick that’ll get them a chance to pick a really good player with more years of cheap team control than they had with Downie. Downie shows good skill at times, but let’s be frank… they could put a lot of guys with Stamkos and/or St. Louis and get 20 goals out of them.

The Avs aren’t exactly a stellar defensive team right now, but they do have a lot of younger D that are redundant in skill sets and projected ceiling. The flipped a type of player that have a lot of to get a type of player they don’t have much of, which is someone that can competently skate and shoot up front.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 02/22/12 at 02:07 PM ET

42jeff's avatar

I mean, sitting in a puddle of your own urine has got to leave a rash or something. Hope he gets that incontinence problem of his checked out somewhere.
Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 02/22/12 at 10:30 AM ET

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/22/12 at 02:21 PM ET

Chris in Hockey Hell's avatar

“a third-line bum that will waste away in Denver until his jersey is retired some time this April”

Downie won’t be able to wear #9. They retired that when Mike Ricci retired.  LOL

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 02/22/12 at 04:12 PM ET

rrasco's avatar

Coming from an organization that had 4 first rounders on top of 6 others to pass over some guy named Pavel Datsyuk?  LOL @ Steve Moore

12   Alex Tanguay
17   Martin Skoula
19   Robyn Regehr
20   Scott Parker
28   Ramzi Abid
38   Philippe Sauve
53   Steve Moore
79   Evgeny Lazarev
141 K.C. Timmons
167 Alexander Ryazantsev

171 Pavel Datsyuk

Posted by rrasco from TEXAS on 02/22/12 at 04:39 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Posted by rrasco from TEXAS on 02/22/12 at 01:39 PM ET

Oh fuch, that made me go all roflcopter.  Thanks, rrasco.  Well done, man.


Cheers.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 02/22/12 at 06:43 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

The whole idea behind A2Y has always been to write like we talk and speak what we think.  Because it’s fun.

And that is why we are here. One for all, and, all for one. The best blog in Hockey. The best fake friends and the most outspoken fans on the interwebs.

Any discussion aboot hockey is in the real language we all use.  No holds barred.

Thanks Master Chief. There is no place like home.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 02/22/12 at 09:53 PM ET

tuxedoTshirt's avatar

The best blog in Hockey

Best post and comments I’ve read in a while too.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 02/23/12 at 04:52 AM ET

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Welcome to Abel to Yzerman, a Red Wing blog since 1977.  No other site on the internet has better-researched, fact-laden and better prepared discussions than A2Y.  Re-phrase: we do little research, find facts and stats highly overrated and claim little to no preparation.  There are 19 readers of A2Y. No more, no less. All of them, except maybe one, are juvenile in nature.  Reminding them of that in the comment section will only encourage them to prove that. Your suggestions and critiques are welcome: wphoulihan@gmail.com