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Would Steve Ott Be A Fit In Detroit?

Both Brad May and Mark Spector of Sportsnet believe Detroit would be a destination for Steve Ott at the trade deadline.

What do you think and you can watch their discussion here.

 

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Great, but the real question is would he be paired with Kronwall or DeKeyser.

Posted by Garth on 01/14/14 at 10:56 AM ET

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Posted by Garth on 01/14/14 at 10:56 AM ET


I think he’s a forward, no?

Posted by TEMO from LANSING, MICHIGAN, U.S.A. on 01/14/14 at 11:02 AM ET

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About ten responses via Twitter so far, all say no!

Correct TEMO, I think Garth knows that.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/14/14 at 11:03 AM ET

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/14/14 at 11:03 AM ET

Oh.  My bad!

Posted by TEMO from LANSING, MICHIGAN, U.S.A. on 01/14/14 at 11:09 AM ET

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I think he’s a forward, no?

Yep.

My point was that Detroit badly, badly, badly needs a defenseman above all (because the forward corps will be fine when we get healthy) so of course people are talking about Detroit acquiring forwards…

Posted by Garth on 01/14/14 at 11:10 AM ET

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When he was in Dallas, I hated him. Since he’s been in Buffalo, I think he’s been a terrific power forward. He could be the McCarty Detroit lacks. He’s not a first line forward, though. He’s not the answer to the problems.

Mickey Redmond loves Steve Ott, so I’ll give it a YES.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 01/14/14 at 11:11 AM ET

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Ott would bring an element to the team that seems to be partly needed with a 10% chance of goon in the (L)Eastern Conference…

But yeah…who he’s going to paired with? Not sure this would be the best move…but I’m no pharmacist.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 01/14/14 at 11:15 AM ET

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Well I’d take him over Franzen.

I can’t imagine in what alternate universe Ken Holland would trade for Ott.

Posted by godblender on 01/14/14 at 11:25 AM ET

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Would you feel good about a move with one of Buffalo’s d-men (i.e., Tyler Myers or Christian Ehrhoff) and Ott? Does BUF have any D-man you’d want back? If so, who would you part with from the Wings?

Obviously, BUF would have to be willing to take on some toxic waste (i.e., Quincey and Sammy) for the rest of the year. Otherwise the numbers don’t work.

To get Myers, I think the Wings would lose a top 3 prospect and a 1st round draft pick and probably another prospect. And he’s a gamble, as he’s been both brilliant and brutal over the years.

Ott would probably take a guy like Almqvist/Marchenko/Ouelette - if that’s what BUF was looking for.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 01/14/14 at 11:30 AM ET

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meh.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 01/14/14 at 11:32 AM ET

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Would love to have him.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 01/14/14 at 11:40 AM ET

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For nothing more than the price of the contract, sure.  The problem is that since there are far fewer teams selling than there are buying trade values will be inflated significantly, and frankly Ott’s just not that great.  His production has fallen off the table the last three years.

On top of that, Ott’s a rental.  What is a rental going to do to help Detroit out, exactly?  They’re not a Steve Ott away from being a dangerous playoff team.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 01/14/14 at 11:48 AM ET

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You are right, HiHD. It would be another very underwhelming (a la Kyle Calder, Kyle Quincey) acquisition.

We are most certainly not a Steve Ott away from a Cup.

It would be a waste.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 01/14/14 at 12:05 PM ET

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It would be a waste.

which means Kenny will probably pull the trigger.

Posted by MoreShoot on 01/14/14 at 12:12 PM ET

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Aquire Ott for pointless contracts (Sam, Cleary, Quincy, along with an Eaves, Tootoo, Abby type player, and a high draft pick/good prospect) >>> use money gained from pointless contracts to sign a better dman and you have a younger Dallas Drake in the back pocket who has the ability to play on a higher line through sheer will and strength (though more talent would be nice). Ott has no cups?  He’s not really old but isn’t young by any means so the desperation level would be high.

Posted by RhymeTimeWingsDings on 01/14/14 at 12:24 PM ET

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is it bad that i’m already sort of looking forward to next year? Some of prospects ripen up, some of the rookies become better… we get a draft pick, we have the summer to get healthy, and back on track…  we LOSE a shit ton of dead weight in Q, Sammy, cleary, tuzzi, among others…

Posted by Pasha1277 on 01/14/14 at 01:02 PM ET

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Aquire Ott for pointless contracts (Sam, Cleary, Quincy, along with an Eaves, Tootoo, Abby type player, and a high draft pick/good prospect) ...

Posted by RhymeTimeWingsDings on 01/14/14 at 12:24 PM ET

What good does that do Buffalo though?  Buffalo is not a Cup contender, and if anything they are looking to rebuild with (at least a bit of) youth and/or draft picks.  Cleary, Sammy, and Quincey don’t qualify.

Again, I know I’ll say this until I go to my grave, but IT TAKES TWO PARTIES TO MAKE A TRADE.  Just because we don’t want a player doesn’t mean we can magically trade him away to another team.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/14/14 at 01:02 PM ET

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Yep sure, just what the team needs, another bottom six forward.

Nothing has changed since Nick retired—this team needs a top-tier #1 D, period.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 01/14/14 at 01:12 PM ET

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[sigh]

I’m expecting the Flyers to make a run for him.  He’s their kind of player.

Posted by SYF from The Revenge of Johnny E on 01/14/14 at 01:13 PM ET

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@TreKroner
They gain no Ott, and a top prospect or draft pick or combo.  The other players wont be around for long and I don’t think they’re going to rebuild in 1 season.

Posted by RhymeTimeWingsDings on 01/14/14 at 01:37 PM ET

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Yep sure, just what the team needs, another bottom six forward.

Exactly.  Which probably means that they make a hard run at getting him.

Posted by Garth on 01/14/14 at 01:40 PM ET

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They gain no Ott, and a top prospect or draft pick or combo.

“No Ott” is only a good thing if they get something good in return while not having to take on more salary than if they had kept him.  They can probably get a draft pick and/or top prospect from another team while not having to take on another team’s garbage contracts.

Posted by Garth on 01/14/14 at 01:43 PM ET

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if we’re playing tootoo in GR, why do we need ott? it’d be an awful mistake.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 01/14/14 at 01:49 PM ET

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if we’re playing tootoo in GR, why do we need ott?

Because of statistics.

Posted by Garth on 01/14/14 at 01:56 PM ET

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If you haven’t seen it, Puck Daddy has a video of a kid that got to practice with the Caps and do a pre game faceoff for the Caps Sabres game.  The kid throws Ott out of the faceoff.  It’s pretty funny.

Posted by Them Bones on 01/14/14 at 02:00 PM ET

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Because of statistics.

Posted by Garth on 01/14/14 at 01:56 PM ET

i hope this was sarcasm. while tootoo is by no means an offensive dynamo these days, suggesting ott is somehow massively better—right now—such that a deal is justiified is just…wrong to me. admittedly, ott’s been playing on a terrible team this year, but he’s not doing much and appears to be getting PP time.

never mind the comparison between these two players; tootoo is a red herring. i hope you at least agree it’d be a terrible deal to trade for ott.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 01/14/14 at 02:07 PM ET

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wait, i just read that you do. i can now go back to wasting time on another hockey blog…

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 01/14/14 at 02:08 PM ET

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@Garth
Because not all other teams are willing to give up those picks or have a need for an Ott type player. These analyst’s picked Detroit for a reason maby Buffalo likes a certain prospect or two.  And detroit will most likely have a higher draft pick to trade than we are used to.

Please don’t compare Ott and Tootoo.

Posted by RhymeTimeWingsDings on 01/14/14 at 02:10 PM ET

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if detroit really wants to make a move, i’d try to pry wheeler or some D out of winnipeg. they’re in the west now and their GM appears to be an idiot.

looking at their roster: what happened to zach bogosian? he apparently used to be good or something, but now?

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 01/14/14 at 02:11 PM ET

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Aquire Ott for pointless contracts (

We have to save some of those pointless contracts for the Weber trade though, don’t we?

Posted by HockeyinHD on 01/14/14 at 02:13 PM ET

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I agree with most, sure we would take him. But too much will be given up to acquire. Thumbs down and keep kickin the tires Kenny.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 01/14/14 at 02:26 PM ET

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@TreKroner
They gain no Ott, and a top prospect or draft pick or combo.  The other players wont be around for long and I don’t think they’re going to rebuild in 1 season.

Posted by RhymeTimeWingsDings on 01/14/14 at 01:37 PM ET

That still doesn’t explain why they would take on Cleary, Samuelson, or Quincey.  Those players do Buffalo absolutely no good, except for taking up space.  Rather than accepting a body with a cap hit, it would make much more sense for Buffalo to ask for, at very least, a draft pick.  If I’m the owner of Buffalo, I don’t want my GM acquiring Cleary (for a number of reasons…) and paying his salary, when I could have at least received a 2nd or 3rd round pick instead.

Nothing changes the fact that we have players we don’t want, and we can not expect a team to take on these players.  If it could happen, it would have.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/14/14 at 02:36 PM ET

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Yep sure, just what the team needs, another bottom six forward.

Exactly.  Which probably means that they make a hard run at getting him.

He fills the Cleary role better than Cleary, but Babs will never scratch him.  It’s got to be money in—money out plus prospect out; therefore, not going to happen.  KH loves his “depth.”

Posted by jkm2011 on 01/14/14 at 02:38 PM ET

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The best awful excuse for this season is the injury issue. At least at the beginning of the season when the team was remotely healthy, the team had a chance at success with a number of big question marks, including:

1) DeKeyser
2) Smith
3) Kindl
4) Weiss
5) Tatar
6) 4th line
7) Will they be able to find a top-pair defenseman?

All of those guys had to build on last year or (re)establish themselves this year (i.e., Weiss having to re-establish himself on a new team in a new system). Based on that, there was a probability of success, no question, but real, Stanley Cup-contention success had a pretty low probability and banked on most of those questions working out in best case scenario for Detroit.

The issue is that all these injuries cloud that. I don’t think the team was really built to blow anyone away (big hole on the top D-pairing and a lack of an ice cold scorer). Same problems as last year. Getting a marginal depth forward does not make this team a Cup contender.

Here on out, the questions remain:

1) Can the team get and stay healthy?
2) Can Smith continue to progress?
3) Can Kindl get back on track?
4) Can Weiss get healthy and get back on track?
5) Will they be able to find a top-pair defenseman?

Anyways, much like “kids,” Steve Ott is “not the answer.”

Posted by VitoLambruski on 01/14/14 at 02:50 PM ET

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I think we need a D, first and foremost. Whether that’s addition by subtraction (Quincey for “futures” and a call-up from GR)  or what is beyond me.

However, I like what I see out of Ott, and think he could elevate his game to another level if we get our hands on him.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 01/14/14 at 03:03 PM ET

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i hope this was sarcasm. while tootoo is by no means an offensive dynamo these days, suggesting ott is somehow massively better

I didn’t say massively better, I’m just saying that having Tootoo around shouldn’t be a reason to not get someone who is better.

Just like having Mikael Samelsson sitting in the press box as a healthy scratch most nights doesn’t mean Detroit shouldn’t be on the lookout for a forward who will shoot, or for a righty who can play the point on the power play.

and appears to be getting PP time.

You’re right.  He plays in all situations.  In fact, he plays two and a half minutes less on special teams than Tootoo plays per game.

I’m not advocating that Detroit should pick him up, I’m just saying that having Tootoo playing in GR shouldn’t have any influence on picking up anyone except some other team’s mostly-useless agitator who “plays with energy”.

These analyst’s picked Detroit for a reason

Yeah, because dead air isn’t good TV.  They think he could be a good fit, it doesn’t mean they have any insight about anything at all.

Because not all other teams are willing to give up those picks or have a need for an Ott type player.

I’m curious what in Detroit’s recent history makes you think they’re willing to give up a pick AND a prospect for anyone?

Posted by Garth on 01/14/14 at 03:12 PM ET

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All defensive needs aside, if we acquired him in exchange from some of our “worthless forward contracts” (Eaves, Tootoo, Emmerton, Samuelsson) I’m all for it. He’s a great face-off, and would provide some great grit and veteran presence.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 01/14/14 at 04:08 PM ET

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if we’re playing tootoo in GR, why do we need ott? it’d be an awful mistake.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 01/14/14 at 01:49 PM ET

I don’t want them to try to trade for Steve Ott, but come on, let’s be fair. If they really needed a veteran, jack-of-all-trades forward (which they don’t, they have seven of them), Ott is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over Tootoo. There is literally no part of the skill game where Ott is not markedly better than Tootoo. For years now, both in Dallas and Buffalo, Ott has been a team leader and an all-situations player.

If anything, comparing Ott to Tootoo only serves to make me want Steve Ott on the Red Wings. Even though it would be dumb.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 01/15/14 at 08:50 AM ET

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If anything, comparing Ott to Tootoo only serves to make me want Steve Ott on the Red Wings.

That’s pretty much what happened to me in this thread.  I don’t want him, but I found myself defending the Wings going for him…

Posted by Garth on 01/15/14 at 10:10 AM ET

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Maybe I skimmed over it, but Ott is a center (50.5% in faceoff wins), and with Weiss out he could be a decent addition and actually make a difference in a playoff run.

Not only that, but he brings the “Tootoo” factor while also being able to other things. Granted he is a -16, but this is Buffalo we’re talking about here.

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 01/15/14 at 10:21 AM ET

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