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Wings/Leafs Recap

The Wings started out strong, leveled off a bit in the 1st period and found themselves in a 1-1 game at the end of the period.

Then Toronto took over with 2 goals in the 2nd period and the shots on net after two was Toronto 26, Detroit 11.

The third period was entertaining to watch.  Wings were one shot away from tying the game until the Leafs sealed the deal with an empty net goal.

Final- Toronto 5 Detroit 3

Goals and Detroit team stats are below.

Jensen...

 

 

Rielly...

 

 

Marner...

 

 

Matthews...

 

 

Jensen...

 

 

Matthews...

 

 

Larkin or Bertuzzi...

 

 

Hainsey ENG... not coming

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PierreC's avatar

at times we fought hard. But mature talent prevailed.

Some disappointment.. where is Abby ? where is Neilsen again ? ..and i can include Vanek in the disappointment column.

One note..on the second Leaf goal, when they said that Howard had no chance (pass across the goal mouth)…

could be !

BUT

Just some moment before ...Vanek made a perfect pass across the goal mouth to AA and Anderson went sliding across and made the save…Had he not make the save the play by play guy would have said “Anderson had no chance “....

….but he did make the save so..

That is the difference between a clutch goalie and Howard. Howard is a decent goalie with major physical flaws, like his inability to move from side to side with speed. He use to be better but now, busted groin, tells him to relax, Don’t do too much.

Clutch goal is something we can’t get. Goal post by Vanek, rebound to Larkin ..another post !!  Bad luck or ...else !

Hronek made a blunder early in the game for a goal..he didnt look good on it, and after that his icetime duminished gradually. He will eventually visit GR soon.

Anyway..still a fun game to Watch. H

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 10/11/18 at 09:35 PM ET

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funny to see Kronwall with 22 min TOI…did he really earn that ?

Kronwall..sadly..can’t move anymore.

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 10/11/18 at 09:38 PM ET

Down River Dan's avatar

I recall two times the Wings had the puck in the leafs zone with sustained pressure and then the puck was passed back to blue line, but Kronwall was unable to reach the puck to keep it in. I get that the Wings need veteran presence in the lineup, but his lack of mobility isn’t helping the Wings…

Posted by Down River Dan on 10/11/18 at 11:48 PM ET

Royal Grand Exalted PooBah's avatar

Kronner had 2 give aways that I remember and its become common place for that to happen. All of the vets in tonights game were minus in the plus minus column. I wasn’t expecting a lot this year and it’s becoming a reality.

No reason to waste years of entry level contracts on this mess. Send um all down or to juniors and sign Joekinen and float to the bottom. Don’t loose talent in the expansion draft 2 years from now.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 10/12/18 at 12:30 AM ET

MurrayChadwick's avatar

Kronwall was effing terrible last night, if that continues, Blashill is going to have to bench him, but it was
for the most part his first real live action against one of the best offensive teams in the league coming back from injury.

I like Bertuzzi, one of our more effective players doing what he does, I just don’t know if that style holds up, Blash should keep him with Larkin a ndMantha.

I’m also liking what I see out of Hronek and Ehn, Sulak played well too.

AA actually looked like a good player last night that had to be accounted for, well well welcome to the 2018-2019 season there AA, glad you stopped by, if you could do that some more so we could trade you it would be wonderful.  He still can’t/won’t stop to battle or go to hard areas with all that speed he has, but at least I noticed him.

Question…watching a player like Mathews, or other young Toronto talent, does it knock down anyone else’s excitement on Ramussen or even Zadina sitting in GR, heck toss Mantha in that mix for that matter. You have to bake in that they have 2 bonafied MVPs making room for everyone else, but man I’m just not seeing even brief flashes of anything out of the kids we are counting on to be elite.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 10/12/18 at 07:18 AM ET

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BTW…. how about Nick Jenson?  I’m not sure this level of play will last, but most of you were ready to toss him in the middle of uninhabited Detroit street with a random pile of used tires and mattresses, well well, maybe he has something for us after all. 

Interesting what competition for ice time brings out in a player vs. just handing it to them because well… youth.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 10/12/18 at 07:26 AM ET

duhduhduh's avatar

Question…watching a player like Mathews, or other young Toronto talent,

I know Babcock is a good coach, but the Leafs game right now is high level for no reason involving Babcock that I can identify.  I think what you have is just a bunch of exceptionally talented, intelligent, and bold forwards that are on the loose, and Babcock is probably just going hands off.

Posted by duhduhduh on 10/12/18 at 08:35 AM ET

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We don’t yet have and can’t really expect to have a forward as good as
Toronto’s best three (counting Tavares). As good as Nylander? Maybe.

What we hope to have in Rasmussen is a useful NHL forward with a particular
skill set due to his hands and size around the net. Other than that what is exceptional
about him? Zadina might end up being a sniper, a true finisher who can score in
multiple ways. But we obviously don’t have a generational player.

Mantha might be as good as Tomas Vanek suggests he can be. But it appears he
will always be streaky. In a sense, that does make him Mule 2.0
AA will probably never be a complete player, let alone consistent enough at what he does best. We are still lucky to have Larkin based on where we drafed; same with Mantha.

It’s a good collection of young forwards. But no, it’s a good collection of young forwards on the level of Toronto’s. Toronto drafted high enough in a very planned way and made it count.
Brian Burke at al deserve credit for drafting Morgan Reilly, too, and realizing he might have this upside even if it wasn’t immediate.

The Wings are starting to give opportunities to young defensemen, too, and its exciting.
I don’t see why Jensen with his speed and right shoot and hustle and effort can’t be part of the mix. At worst you get a pick for him. But there is no impact player yet on defense either. Cholowski might have that ability. Too many years of signing and re-signing vets and trying to squeak into the playoffs long after there was any chance of competing there. We all know this.

As frustrating as it might be to see more veterans return and “block the way” the owner’s greed for expansion fees means guarding younger assets is a real issue. And Houston appears to be on the horizon at some point. What the Wings really need are at least a couple true impact top picks when it counts. They have a number of good younger players but expansion teams might end up with 1-2 of them. In the scheme of things, two points in four games is what the Wings need next June.

Posted by Lefty30 on 10/12/18 at 09:05 AM ET

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Lots of good posts here. I agree, let the race for Jack Hughes begin. We need an “Austin Mathews” on this team. The way I see it, TOR is poised to compete for the cup for at least the next 5 years, maybe more.

Posted by Pasha1277 on 10/12/18 at 09:29 AM ET

Primis's avatar

Just got done watching the replay.

DET was never out of the game, and Mickey was right it should have been a 3-3 game late, not 4-3 for TOR.  Even then, DET had some really good chances late with the goalie out and couldn’t capitalize.  Vanek had two chances, but the one SHOULD have been a TOR penalty but the refs let it go.

Kronwall is a disaster and needs to not dress anymore.  Period.  He’s now just a huge liability.

They’re also getting back into that thing they did when Rafalski was here where they pass the puck back to the point, the point man holds it for some reason delaying things, and then he launches a weak wrister from out by the blue line that invariably doesn’t and can’t get through… or if it does it’s too weak to pose any challenge to the goalie.  Those are completely wasted plays, you can’t flip the puck weak like that at the NHL level.  If you wrist it, it needs to be an immediate one-timer play, and if you hold it a second it then needs to be a cannon slapshot.

I saw nothing to be too upset about otherwise.  DET is competing hard and playing well against teams with way more established talent.  DET’s lost two games by a goal, and two by 2, and both fo the two-goal losses were two late from empty-netters.

They can keep doing what they have been mostly though, far as I’m concerned.  Give them 25 games of this and see what happens.  The kids are carrying the play, and that’s a good thing.

Posted by Primis on 10/12/18 at 10:10 AM ET

TreKronor's avatar

The problem I have is, on most of the TOR goals it just comes down to sloppy sloppy play in our own zone, which has been the issue for a few seasons now. 

It’s:
-All the passes into your teammates feet instead of their stick
-Making a line change when you’re still breaking out of the D zone (freaking dump it if you need to)
-Just overall playing soft when you give up the puck

I don’t know why this continues to be a problem.  It seems like a total lack of chemistry, because you can’t tell me these guys got to the NHL without knowing how to put the puck on a teammate’s tape.

Posted by TreKronor on 10/12/18 at 11:20 AM ET

MurrayChadwick's avatar

I know Babcock is a good coach, but the Leafs game right now is high level for no reason involving Babcock that I can identify.  I think what you have is just a bunch of exceptionally talented, intelligent, and bold forwards that are on the loose, and Babcock is probably just going hands off.

Posted by duhduhduh on 10/12/18 at 09:35 AM ET

Couldn’t disagree more, especially assuming Babcock would go hands off??? Look great players make coaches look great, but Babcock has his stamp on that team, their exits are smooth, they PP structure is fantastic, and the puck is going to players who have space to use their elite skill to execute, and they are executing.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 10/12/18 at 12:28 PM ET

TreKronor's avatar

Yeah I agree - Babs has them running a very structured game right now.  It’s not the run and gun style of Vegas, that’s for sure. 

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Leafs form the “V” sometime in the near future wink

Posted by TreKronor on 10/12/18 at 12:34 PM ET

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Kronwall is a disaster and needs to not dress anymore.  Period.  He’s now just a huge liability.

Kronwall led all the dmen in ice time. It does not matter how he plays, Blashill will never have the balls to bench a respected veteran and remove him from PP.

Posted by VPalmer on 10/12/18 at 09:08 PM ET

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