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Use Andreas Athanasiou As A Trade Chip?

from Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press,

With every game he plays in a Detroit Red Wings uniform, Robby Fabbri looks like the trade of the season. Which may lead Steve Yzerman to trigger another one....

What Athanasiou’s improved play does is give Yzerman options. He already has made three trades — for Fabbri, Brendan Perlini and Adam Erne. Those were minor moves, but Yzerman was adding guys he wanted to a roster he inherited. Athanasiou, 25, is a 30-goal scorer with a career 0.53 point-per-game average who could yield a top prospect to add to the rebuild.

more on both Fabbri and Athanasiou...

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With the start he had, no way.  If they are going to trade him, they’ve got to get him some points.  Assuming he doesn’t take off on a tear (unlikely on this team), they’d be better off holding onto him, signing him for cheap over the summer on a bridge deal, then taking it from there if they want to keep him or trade him in a year or two.

Posted by TreKronor on 11/18/19 at 09:21 AM ET

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Shes been trying to get him traded since he was in the minors.  I remember negative articles about him all the way back to prospect tournaments.  She doesn’t like this kid, for whatever reason.  If you pull every AA trade article shes got the lions share.

Posted by ThatGuy on 11/18/19 at 09:37 AM ET

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Nope. Stick it out with the kids and move ufas at the deadline and hope for a lottery win. Yzerman has won one one trade so far with Fabbri provided he keeps playing like he has. The rest of the moves have been “meh” and have yet to be a win.

No moves are nesscessary this season except moving vets and ufas. If the right deal comes along go for it but patience is still the best plan.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 11/18/19 at 10:11 AM ET

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Yes. Definitely. What the rebuilding Wings need to do is keep trading away their secondary scoring. Send him to Montreal so he can score 30 goals alongside Tomas Tatar. Yzerman’s been making trades to try to add offense, so of course he should trade the team’s only 30-goal scoring winger.

Jesus, has Helene not been paying attention to Detroit’s DIRE need for scoring?
Embarrassing.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 11/18/19 at 10:37 AM ET

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She doesn’t like this kid, for whatever reason.
Posted by ThatGuy on 11/18/19 at 09:37 AM ET

I did note the other night in post game she sort of obsessed asking him if he concerns himself with plus/minus ratings.

Posted by RWBill on 11/18/19 at 10:44 AM ET

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Posted by ThatGuy on 11/18/19 at 09:37 AM ET

She’s been bringing up his plus-minus since the beginning of the season. Give it a rest, already. I cringe every time I hear her ask a question.

Which may lead Steve Yzerman to trigger another one….

Also, I’m not sure I understand this logic. Fabbri is playing well because he’s playing with another skilled player…so that allows them to get rid of said skilled player?

Posted by hockeyfreak13 from Grand Rapids on 11/18/19 at 10:44 AM ET

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That was my takeaway, too. The logic is difficult to rationalize.
From my perspective, and I’ve stated this here before to less than universal accord, this team is more watchable with #72 than without. I don’t need him to be a Selke candidate.

Posted by Squarewheels from The Land of Unhealthy Scratching on 11/18/19 at 11:22 AM ET

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HSJ should work on a real scenario like moving some of the vets, tell us a possible destination for them or just say they can’t be moved.

But then it would actually take some work, making phone calls and contacting sources.

Beating this dead horse for over a year and a half gets old.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/18/19 at 11:26 AM ET

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Let’s be clear though, the “Trade AA” idea has been around for a while because…there was concern the Wings couldn’t afford to resign him once he scored 30 goals.  Conversely, it may not be in their best interest since this team’s got a ways to go before contending.

The Wings got a pretty good deal on him at $3mil/year - especially once he went at put up 30 goals last year.  But after seeing him put up that many goals on one of the worst teams, the assumption was he’d do it again and he’d expect a big payday.  Hence, why they should possibly trade him.

Instead, what we have seen is a horribly slow start where he only recently started scoring.  Which is great for the Wings if they choose to give him a contract offer for next season.  But also leads to a bigger question - how good is he?

Posted by TreKronor on 11/18/19 at 11:45 AM ET

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But after seeing him put up that many goals on one of the worst teams, the assumption was he’d do it again and he’d expect a big payday.

So, a reason to trade him is that he’s like every single other player in the league?

This team’s not going to contend ever if they simply trade away everyone who produces because eventually they’re going to want to get paid.

But also leads to a bigger question - how good is he?

How is this even a question? Do you watch the Wings at all? He’s a 30-goal scorer. Not a “nearly 30-goal scorer” and not a “should be a 30-goal scorer if he stops injuring his hand in ill-advised fights”.

He’s a 30-goal scorer, which is something the Wings didn’t have for a DECADE before AA and Larkin did it last year.

So yeah, by all means, trade away one of two proven 30-goal scorers because they’re so easy to come by. Why not trade Zadina too? He may score 30 goals some year, and we can’t have that, can we?

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 11/18/19 at 11:59 AM ET

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Really, again the trade chip garbage resurfaces. Larkin, Mantha and Bertuzzi have big stats because of the first four games, probably about 40% of their production. Larkin has gone nine games without a point. That first line also has been together for over one year(chemistry). AA until Filppula and Fabbri has played on lottery lines. Also try looking at stats, this team is not scoring 5v5 very often. That first line should account for one goal per game and a PP goal every seventh PP at current production levels. If you think AA’s absence won’t seriously hurt offensive production you’re mistaking. He draws teams into taking penalties with his speed. He has 5g 6a 11pts for 329 TOI, Larkin has 6g 10a 16pts for 469 TOI and six of Larkin’s points were from the first 4 games. You might want to evaluate him correctly before trading someone you’re likely to never be able to replace. Personally I don’t feel our first round pick Zadina will be as good as AA but time will tell.

Posted by stateofmifan on 11/18/19 at 12:01 PM ET

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How is this even a question? Do you watch the Wings at all?

1) I didn’t state my opinion in my post; it was a collection of observations of discussions over the past year or so to break down where HSJ might be coming from, because things with AA are a heck of a lot different now than they were last season.

2) I have no opinions on what they do with him. 

3) Why do you continue to be so aggressive and personal on something so meaningless?  Like, for real?  What’s the point?  You okay?

Posted by TreKronor on 11/18/19 at 12:15 PM ET

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CDMD, the next time you are typing a comment, take a look at it and see if you are condescending any KK member,

If so, delete that part, then hit submit.

No reason to challenge people on their thoughts in such a way.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/18/19 at 12:20 PM ET

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I thought HSJ was Holland’s lackey?

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/18/19 at 01:25 PM ET

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/18/19 at 11:26 AM ET

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/18/19 at 01:25 PM ET

I long suspected her of having a direct line in to KH to disseminate whatever info he wanted out there and her content since he’s left has all but confirmed it. She doesn’t provide anything that isn’t completely obvious to 95% of the public and her prediction/suggestion “what could the wings do” articles have been laughable.

Posted by MZ2215 on 11/18/19 at 01:55 PM ET

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Mz, a part of that though is Yzerman doesn’t really AT ALL. None of the beat writers have had crap for info since Yzerman took over. The most info we usually get is from The Athletic and it will be second hand, like Darren Pang saying he talked to Stevie about Fabbri.

Posted by TreKronor on 11/18/19 at 02:01 PM ET

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Since the team has had scoring issues all the way back to Babcock days and really the last few seasons I think it would be asinine to trade any player with scoring ability at.this point.

Great rid of the baggage contracts first like Poobah said and then start accessing the young players then trade a quality player.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 11/18/19 at 02:08 PM ET

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What if we traded him for a 1/2 Dman?  Sure we need scoring, but more than anything this team needs a top pair dman. 

Like all things, the trade would depend on the return but I’d pull the trigger in a heartbeat if it involved getting a top pair defenseman.  That could really have an impact on this team.

Posted by TreKronor on 11/18/19 at 02:31 PM ET

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Posted by TreKronor on 11/18/19 at 02:31 PM ET

We have plenty of half a Dmen grin

I still rather wait and see. Unless AA gets injured we have time to see what Seider, Cholo and others will do. I agree we need a top Dmen but scoring is also a premium.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 11/18/19 at 02:36 PM ET

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Posted by TreKronor on 11/18/19 at 02:01 PM ET

Agree and understand, my comment wasn’t meant to be much other than a shot at HSJ.

Posted by MZ2215 on 11/18/19 at 02:36 PM ET

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On this team I would say only Larkin is off limits. Everybody else depends on the return.

Posted by Davor on 11/18/19 at 03:06 PM ET

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Paying top dollar for a dman who may not work out with this team. The other night when AA scorched Trouba for a pass to Filppula the fan base questioned that acquisition. Other trades Subban, Webber and others that haven’t necessarily assimilated with their new teams. A 1 or 2 dman would cost plenty.

Posted by stateofmifan on 11/18/19 at 03:07 PM ET

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I think a lot of this is missing the point…. this is how I look at it anyhow.

1. Can you get something for him of better value to where the wings are now and where they are going, even though arguably dealing from a lesser hand because of his start (though he’s been “producing” better as of late).  If his slow start hasn’t diminished his value, which is certainly possible due to his potential.

2. Is there something internal (his unwillingness to be there, his attitude, etc) that warrants the talk?

3. Everyone loves to watch him, sure, I do too.  But truthfully, is he a player you win with?  Is he part of what you want to do going forward?  I’m not answering it, but that would go into whether you keep or trade, regardless of your issues right now.  Building up his value is obviously better though.

So for me, the question boils down to does he do enough of the little things, have the right attitude vs what you can get for him.  If the first quesiton answer is yes, then it’s a stupid discussion. But if there is any doubt by wings mgmt aobut those questions, and you CAN get something you view as better suited to the rebuild and the team you want to have, then you do it.

But that is a much more fine tuned discussion than Helen offers.  He’s a game breaker weapon for sure, but is he reliable enough the rest of the time?  He’s also still young and can evolve hopefully.  I could care less about the “scoring woes” at this point in time.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 11/18/19 at 04:06 PM ET

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So I guess Mantha, Lil Bert should be traded also?

Anyone that wants AA traded has the hockey IQ of HSJ (harsh)

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 11/18/19 at 05:43 PM ET

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I suppose you could trade him if the return is a young first pairing dman willing to sign long term.  But youre trading away a rarity in the league which is a forward with top end speed and hands that can keep up with that speed.  The plays he makes, finished or not, are plays that few others can.

When you find talent like that, especially deep in the draft, seems like a waste to trade it away.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 11/18/19 at 06:07 PM ET

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