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Trade Mantha For The Future?

from Rory Boylen of Sportsnet,

So today, we’re trying to identify one trade candidate for every team in the off-season… whenever that may be. For our purposes, we’re not including pending UFAs, whose rights could still be moved after the conclusion of a season.

Detroit Red Wings: Anthony Mantha
We’ll say that it’s probably not likely Mantha gets moved — after all, he’s in his prime, will be 26 next season, and Detroit still needs players to score if they’re going to emerge out of this rebuild any time soon. But Mantha could also bring a haul of futures back to the Red Wings if they decide to do that rather than re-sign him to a big-money contract this off-season. He’s still an RFA, but the Wings would likely be buying up some UFA years as well, which would bring up the price.

“It will be complicated, I think,” Mantha said to the Detroit News about his upcoming contract negotiations. “But it’s not in my power. My power is to play hockey. My agent and Stevie are going to talk, maybe they’ve started. I don’t even know.

“It’s hard to base right now. I played 40 games this year. I missed so many games, so it’s hard to go for the extension before the end of the year. We’ll see in the off-season.”

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d ca's avatar

No.

A scoring power forward with size that handled Jim Devellano’s criticism and put his head down and improved—rather than sulk and demand a trade or hint at wanting out.. Blash’s need to put out balanced scoring lines cost him early success as he failed to be put on a line with other young guns where he could develop familiarity for years to come (not just the season). Yet, when put on the BLM line he’s shown flashes of what the Wings want him to become.

I think the Wings would be selling low as he hasn’t hit his scoring ceiling (due to injuries that have occurred as a result of stick up for teammates or himself).  He’s shown the ability to drive the net (and score even-strengthed) and will be crossing the 30 goal plateau in the next few years.

Beyond that he’s stated he’s open to a long-term contract and look how long it took him to develop from prospect to viable power forward….the assets the team would get back could take that long too.

Posted by d ca on 05/12/20 at 11:16 PM ET

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It’s really hard to find a player like this.

We were lucky/smart to be able to grab him toward the
middle of the first round.

It seems like the guys on the first line, plus Fabbri
are all pretty tight and want to improve and win together.

As soon as you trade a player like Mantha you have to start thinking
about when/where/how you can find another.
And, agreed, the injuries have been the main issue.
Mantha has gotten better at consistent effort and skating drive.
He’s so big and strong, doesn’t shy away from physical play, and has both
and excellent shot in stride and great hands in close.

Posted by lefty.30 on 05/13/20 at 01:45 AM ET

MurrayChadwick's avatar

NO, we traded AA already.  You don’t trade Mantha, you sign him unless you know something that is offsetting about his work ethic or otherwise. Disappointing that we have to make these long term contracts without getting to see these guys perform in a chase or in a post season game but it is what it is. 

He would’ve easily passed 30 goals had he stayed healthy, he’s got size speed a bite some shiftiness and a wicked quickly released shot, that’s not a package you just find out there. 

Chalk this up as a great job by Ken Holland at the draft table, great job by the organization in developing him, great job by Jeff Blashill on finishing the job, and great job by Mantha as a player to make the transition from leagues he dominated on skill alone to be a player that can dominated with skill and effort on and off the ice.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/13/20 at 11:35 AM ET

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No!!!

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 05/13/20 at 12:03 PM ET

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If a team offers you a great package, well yeah. You at least have to keep the option open.

Posted by godblender on 05/13/20 at 12:03 PM ET

Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

No way! At 26 Mantha is the future. He has speed, size, hands, scoring, and throws his weight around. He is a keeper.

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 05/13/20 at 12:53 PM ET

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Im surprised at the outright NOs.  I think you have to consider it depending on what is coming back. I mean, he’s 26. Detroit isn’t seriously competing for at least 2 years…. he’s starting to approach 30.  If you can get a younger core piece of equal value, I’d entertain the thought at least.  Especially if you are able to draft Laferniere… you have Zadina…

Posted by DieByTheWing on 05/13/20 at 02:05 PM ET

d ca's avatar

Im surprised at the outright NOs.  I think you have to consider it depending on what is coming back. I mean, he’s 26. Detroit isn’t seriously competing for at least 2 years…. he’s starting to approach 30.  If you can get a younger core piece of equal value, I’d entertain the thought at least.  Especially if you are able to draft Laferniere… you have Zadina…
Posted by DieByTheWing on 05/13/20 at 02:05 PM ET

First of all, Mantha is 25 (born 9/16/94) so after the next two season (where he will be 26 & 27)—-he still would have another 2 years in his 20’s.

2nd name first line players that are still under their ELC or RFA contracts for more than 1 more year that are moving via trade that don’t have other issues (such as Seguin had at the time of his trade). What does that leave you with Hall for Adam Larsson—where the Oilers had a bunch of #1’s but couldn’t improve in the standings so they tried a different roster construction. Detroit would be Edmonton in that example and NJ clearly won that deal.

3rd, re-timing issues:  Mantha 25, Larkin 23 (July birthday), Lil’ Bert 25 (Feb), and Fabbri 24 (Jan) would all be peaking about the same time so if you are thinking they will be too old by the time a Cup run comes you would be needing to get rid of 4 of the Wings top 6 forwards—-that just doesn’t make sense. Much easier to supplement these pieces and go all-in by trading away draft picks then to try to re-develop and replace these players.

If a team offers you a great package, well yeah. You at least have to keep the option open.

Posted by godblender on 05/13/20 at 12:03 PM ET

You are not going to get equal value back. KH is dumb but he’s not going to offer McDavid or any real talent for Mantha.  And the other GM’s are pretty much more intelligent so that leaves draft picks and those are rolls of the dice. You don’t want that when you have talent otherwise you’d be trading Adam Oates all over again.

Bert, Larkin, Mantha (line 1). Laferniere, Veleno, Zadina (line 2). Fabbri, Ras, Player X (line 3) seems like a lineup that would bring success in 2022-23 season (or in other words 2 years from now). And Laferniere and Zadina would hopefully be pushing to be on that 1st line by then.

Posted by d ca on 05/13/20 at 04:55 PM ET

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Posted by d ca on 05/13/20 at 04:55 PM ET

I sure like your possible top 3 lines, in 2 years.  Some things have to go in the Wings favor but that is a lot of young power and maybe 2 Franchise players

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 05/13/20 at 05:33 PM ET

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We haven’t seen Mantha on a stretch run let alone the playoffs
but I like how he projects.

Mantha is a pure goal scorer and a power forward.

He can both beat goalies cleanly and can roof the puck
from scrambles in front. He can throw his weight around
and at times has manhandled even tough defensive defenseman
around the net.

As good as the list of forwards surrounding him might look
with any luck in a couple years, there isn’t likely to be another
Mantha type available between now and then.

I think the only way you move out a top sniper power forward
is if you are getting a same age or younger: first line center,
dynamic top pairing D; or number one goalie type.
Occasionally you can pry away a Fabbri type but seems like
the only way you can acquire a Mantha type, other than with the above,
is if he has major red flags in character or effort and wants out, tying his
team’s hands to some degree.

I love to see Larkin, Mantha, and Bert continue to grow together.

Posted by lefty.30 on 05/13/20 at 09:54 PM ET

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So to counter…. He’s turning 28 the year we would even be possibly starting to contend.
Second, in terms of the Edmonton example (and there are several more), Edmonton was trading Hall for a NEED now, and why they got fleeced.  They were trying to get one particular thing.  If I would entertain trading Mantha (and I just said I would entertain it, not that they should, I think they shouldn’t be beholdent ot he idea of keeping him). 
The other reason, aside from Age, is contracts.  If him, Larkin, Bert, and possibly a few others are making big coin, someone like Laferniere you are going to want to lock up to good money early… you start to run into problems paying Veleno, Zadina, etc.  Sure, if Mantha is in fact producing as expected then, you are probably fine to trade him then if necessary, but just saying I’d keep it in mind that if they can get a high enough pick, or a promising prospect, I’d think about it.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 05/14/20 at 03:01 PM ET

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