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Trade Kyle Quincey

Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press is now thinking what many of you want to happen...

Danny DeKeyser is starting a comeback from a separated shoulder suffered Nov. 21, taking to the ice daily and increasing what he does. Realistically, he's still about two weeks away, but when he is ready, he'll need to be removed from long-term injured reserve. Right now, that can't be done without something else happening.

Here's what that something should be: trading defenseman Kyle Quincey.

Quincey has been mediocre since arriving via trade in February 2012. He's currently minus-9, worst on the team, and has just three points, all assists, after 29 games. That's not much of a return for a guy with a $3.775-million salary cap hit. If he could be flipped for a cheaper veteran defenseman or even a draft pick, the Wings would greatly improve their salary cap situation.

There are other ways to make room for DeKeyser. Henrik Zetterberg could be put on LTIR because of a small herniated disc. He'll likely have missed six games before he even begins practicing; LTIR requires a minimum of 10 games and 24 days. So that's one scenario.

Waiving someone such as Mikael Samuelsson would be of no relief: He's over 35 and on a two-year contract, so the entirely of his $3-million salary still counts against the salary cap.

The better scenario would be to unload Quincey.

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pilgrim's avatar

The only way I can see this happening is if they can get a cheap NHLer in return. I don’t expect the team to call up Sproulet for the third pairing just yet. 

Would waiving Cleary open enough cap space? If I’m using Cap Geek correctly it should leave us with exactly 31K of cap space when DDK returns.

Posted by pilgrim from the ice at the bottom of the world on 12/05/13 at 12:05 PM ET

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Miracle on 34th Street.

Its a Wonderful Life.

Die Hard

Finding a trading partner for [Quincey/Cleary/Samuelson]

This is truly the time of year for wonderful (but completely fictional) fantasies that bring a joy to your heart.

Posted by lancer on 12/05/13 at 12:07 PM ET

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Right, trade Kyle Quincey. Straight to the same team that traded for Tootoo. Oh wait.
Who is going to take an over-paid crappy D-man. Still don’t know what the hell Holland was smoking when he gave up 1st rounder for him. Yzerman is probably still laughing.

Posted by George0211 on 12/05/13 at 12:15 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Here’s what that something should be: trading defenseman Kyle Quincey.

Ya’ think? The problem is he sucks. Any takers out there? Quincey for 1 puck? Keep the bag.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 12/05/13 at 12:17 PM ET

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Who knows, maybe Montreal will give us Douglas Murray for Q?

He’s only the best defenseman in the league if you hate possession, and he’s cheap.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2013/11/17/5110272/is-douglas-murray-the-worst-defenseman-in-the-nhl

Posted by pilgrim from the ice at the bottom of the world on 12/05/13 at 12:20 PM ET

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I would rather have Murray than Q, but I don’t see us getting rid of him anytime soon.

Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Nyc by way of A2 on 12/05/13 at 12:21 PM ET

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Hahaha…. Helene St. James never stops entertaining me.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 12/05/13 at 12:22 PM ET

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I would rather have Murray than Q, but I don’t see us getting rid of him anytime soon.

He costs 1.5mil compared to Quincey’s almost 4mil. So yeah, bring him

Posted by George0211 on 12/05/13 at 12:23 PM ET

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Also in an article about the Wings trading/waiving players Helene mentions Samuelsson and Quincey. Cleary is absent from the article. lol

Posted by lancer on 12/05/13 at 12:24 PM ET

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Also in an article about the Wings trading/waiving players Helene mentions Samuelsson and Quincey. Cleary is absent from the article. lol

Posted by lancer on 12/05/13 at 11:24 AM ET

Thou shall not mention Babcock’s butt-buddy in a negative light.

Posted by George0211 on 12/05/13 at 12:25 PM ET

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WAIVE QUINCEY BRING BACK IAN WHITE.

Posted by pilgrim from the ice at the bottom of the world on 12/05/13 at 12:44 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

She’s not wrong.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/05/13 at 12:48 PM ET

awould's avatar

Hockey writers always have the bright idea that trading a terrible player will help their team. I picture St. James sitting back after sending in that article and smiling proudly, waiting for Holland to call and thank her for solving the riddle.

Posted by awould on 12/05/13 at 12:52 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Hell, I’d gladly take back C64.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 12/05/13 at 12:54 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

I think Quincey has more upside than a lot of people are giving him credit for and he might ACTUALLY be movable.  The price would be very low that a gamble on him would pay off, but I could actually see a team doing that where they wouldn’t take on a Tootoo or an Eaves.

Basically, the return is cap space.  I don’t really care about salvaging much in the way of a replacement (although it would be nice to get a cheap stay-at-home guy).

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/05/13 at 12:58 PM ET

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Even if Holland could find a trading partner for Quincey, he’d have to swallow his pride and admit that he made a huge mistake giving up a first-rounder for a mistake-prone pylon. What makes that deal even worse is Holland’s new-found love for “building a team through the draft.” Too bad his epiphany came two years too late.

And like others have mentioned, I had to laugh at St. James leaving Cleary off the list of guys who could be waived. Not even she dares mention anything negative about Babcock’s and Holland’s “Golden Boy.”

Or maybe it was Buckets’ stellar play from last night that convinced her. Um, he did play last night, didn’t he?

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 12/05/13 at 12:59 PM ET

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The thing is that HSJ isn’t suggesting we trade Quincey straight-up for Doughty. It isn’t a move to necessarily to “get better”. It’s about cap compliance. Ideally, the guy we trade for wouldn’t provide much more or less than Q, but he’d come cheaper.

It would be a smart move. Nameless Cheap Veteran could be waived if they suck and then Oullette could ride it out till the trade deadline. But hey Quincey lead the team in 5v% Corsi last night so maybe he’s turned a corner?

Posted by pilgrim from the ice at the bottom of the world on 12/05/13 at 01:00 PM ET

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Didn’t Dallas just lose Robidas.  They need a body.  Trouble is, Nill knows Q.  Dammit!

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/05/13 at 01:06 PM ET

pilgrim's avatar

I think Quincey has more upside than a lot of people are giving him credit for and he might ACTUALLY be movable.  The price would be very low that a gamble on him would pay off, but I could actually see a team doing that where they wouldn’t take on a Tootoo or an Eaves.

I bet a few teams with cap space would bite on Quincey especially since the Wings wouldn’t be demanding much more than a steady 3rd pairing guy in return.

To those questioning Q’s trade value, check out JJ’s article. It’s not as crazy as it sounds: http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2013/11/26/5145614/analyzing-kyle-quincey

Short version: his role on the Wings doesn’t allow him to utilize his strengths. A different system could herald a return to his point-putting up ways. Again—not expecting much in return.

And Smith/DDK together is hot.

Posted by pilgrim from the ice at the bottom of the world on 12/05/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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A bag o’ pucks would be a decent enough return.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 12/05/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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Hockey writers always have the bright idea that trading a terrible player will help their team.

Other teams are able to trade terrible players, why shouldn’t the “best” GM in the league be able to do it?

What an idiot she is for thinking that Ken Holland could find a trading partner for Kyle Quincey.  Greg Sherman was able to find a trade partner for Kyle Quincey, is he a better GM than Ken Holland?

And let’s also remember that there was reason behind getting him in the first place.  Between leaving Detroit and coming back he averaged 36 points per 82 games.  (Yeah, it’s stupid to pick him up because of the impending departure of a physical shutdown defenseman, but that’s not really here nor there.)

He really is a guy that some GM could look at and consider that bringing him in could result in a return to his offensive form, as long as an offensive defenseman is what you’re in the market for.

Posted by Garth on 12/05/13 at 01:13 PM ET

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Between leaving Detroit and coming back he averaged 36 points per 82 games.

Seems in conveniently ignored his injury shortened 2010-11 season…

Posted by Garth on 12/05/13 at 01:18 PM ET

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Yeah, just because a defenseman doesn’t fit in with the Wings doesn’t mean he’s objectively terrible. Look at previous scapegoats: Lebda—shit, Lilja? White? Ok never mind.

Seriously though someone might bite on Q. It could be Dallas, in a trade for Aaron Rome (oh god).

Posted by pilgrim from the ice at the bottom of the world on 12/05/13 at 01:19 PM ET

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Seriously though someone might bite on Q. It could be Dallas, in a trade for Aaron Rome (oh god).

Really, I’d settle for a prospect.

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/05/13 at 01:24 PM ET

pilgrim's avatar

Didn’t Dallas just lose Robidas.  They need a body.  Trouble is, Nill knows Q.  Dammit!

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/05/13 at 12:06 PM ET

That would require them to call up an iteration of Sproulletteqvist, which seems unlikely considering the history of player development for this particular organization.

Posted by pilgrim from the ice at the bottom of the world on 12/05/13 at 01:29 PM ET

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I would assume the most likely return would be another team’s similarly-compensated player in need of a new setting.

Posted by Garth on 12/05/13 at 01:30 PM ET

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I would assume the most likely return would be another team’s similarly-compensated player in need of a new setting.

Posted by Garth on 12/05/13 at 12:30 PM ET

That kills the entire point that HSJ was trying to make.

Posted by George0211 on 12/05/13 at 01:32 PM ET

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That kills the entire point that HSJ was trying to make.

I’m not HSJ.

Posted by Garth on 12/05/13 at 01:35 PM ET

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I would assume the most likely return would be another team’s similarly-compensated player in need of a new setting.

Brad Stuart makes $150K less than Kyle Quincey and San Jose fans aren’t exactly thrilled with him right now..

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/05/13 at 01:46 PM ET

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Brad Stuart makes $150K less than Kyle Quincey and San Jose fans aren’t exactly thrilled with him right now..

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/05/13 at 12:46 PM ET

That makes me all perky.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 12/05/13 at 01:49 PM ET

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let’s just get a conditional 3rd or 4th for him, holland. don’t scoop up any more turds (or take on more bad salary)...

yes. consider that HSJ is really being impartial toward magagrnent here: either cleary should go OR holland traded a 1st for about a 4th and about two seasons of awful D.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 12/05/13 at 02:00 PM ET

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Cleary and Quincey should both go.

Posted by Garth on 12/05/13 at 02:02 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Helm out tomorrow, MRI on shoulder today.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/05/13 at 02:13 PM ET

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She’s not wrong.

She also wouldn’t be wrong if she suggested trading Samuelsson would be a good move, too.

The problem in both cases is that neither guy has any discernible trade value.  Sure, you could move Quincey, but only if you took back as much or more in similarly crappy salaries from the other club, which utterly defeats the purpose for moving him in the first place.  There’s nobody in the NHL who is willing to lose 3-4 mil of cap space just to add a player like Sammy or Quincey.

The only way Detroit moves him is if they do the full Malakhov, and there’s literally no chance of that ever happening.  None.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/05/13 at 02:47 PM ET

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I think the trade value difference between Quincey and Samuelsson is quite large.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/05/13 at 03:08 PM ET

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I think it could be done, though the return—apart from cap space would be negligible.  There are several teams (eg Carolina, NYI) that are looking for defensive help.  They aren’t expecting a Norris candidate, but the need help.

Posted by cantskate on 12/05/13 at 03:21 PM ET

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There’s nobody in the NHL who is willing to lose 3-4 mil of cap space just to add a player like Sammy or Quincey.

They wouldn’t need to take the whole salary on. Detroit could keep even 1/2 of the remaining salary and still free up a bunch of cap space for either one of them. Q is an UFA and a new team might take a flyer on him at 1/3 or 1/2 salary.

We would need to get back a 6th or 7th d-man though. Someone that could ride the bench alternating with Lash and is earning less than whatever salary Detroit retains in the trade.

Posted by AZWinger on 12/05/13 at 03:22 PM ET

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Heck, I would trade Quincey for a draft pick.

Posted by w2j2 on 12/05/13 at 03:28 PM ET

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I think it’s ridiculous to think that Detroit would get anything more than 6th or 7th round pick for Quincey…which is fine by me.

Posted by godblender on 12/05/13 at 03:58 PM ET

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What about the Isles or the Oilers? And you never know - any given team could suddenly lose two d-men to LTIR and scramble to find a replacement.

Posted by jaromirblogger on 12/05/13 at 03:58 PM ET

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