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Really?  Okaaaay.

This isn’t Pittsburgh. It’s not Chicago or San Jose.  It’s Minnesota.  And it’s where Zach Parise and, more humorously in a sad way, Ryan Suter will languish for the next 7, 10, 13 years. 

Family Circle and Oprah, the Lifetime Channel and “hockey-mad” Minnesota can point to this as a wondrous decision made by two men who want to be friends forever and enjoy the solitude that a small market affords them.  Family first.  Friends always.

Cupless.

What a flawed decision.  We’re going to hear about a pipeline of talent coming to Minneapolis. They’ve been building it for years and years.  It’s right there on the cusp, ready to explode and join Parise and Suter.  Contenders, by god. Contenders.

And happy.  Happy together in Minny, where the expectations are low, the glare is dull and the Cup shall never visit.

It’s funny.  Were this the Pens, it would be disgusting. Heartbreaking.  Chicago? Terrifying.

It’s Minnesota. And that’s literally funny.

This is going to be interesting, to see the steps made by legitimate hockey men to kiss these two asses.  Mike Ilitch flew to Madison and came away with nothing. That makes me sick. Who the hell is Ryan Suter to turn down Mike Ilitch in favor of…Craig Leipold?  Your call, big boy.  Own it. Live with it.

Cuplessly.

Next Kenny?  Semin.  Doan.  A deal for Yandle.

Money to spend. Holes to fill.

I don’t blame Holland. Not one bit.  These two ladies wanted to play together in a quiet patch of daisies.  They got what they wanted.

Minus the Cup that never mattered.

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Cal's avatar


What an obnoxious response to an impressive move by a team and market that needed (and deserved) an impressive move.

Posted by jonquixote on 07/04/12 at 12:32 PM ET


It’s funny how they always show up at times like this.

Posted by Cal on 07/04/12 at 03:10 PM ET

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With the money the Wild are losing, it will be interesting to see where this team is in five years.

Hope they enjoy getting beaten by the team they should have signed with. Year in, and year out.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 07/04/12 at 03:10 PM ET

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Wow.  Sour grapes?  Yikes.

Posted by redbacon on 07/04/12 at 03:11 PM ET

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I hate decisions like this because Minnesota gets a free agency windfall, just because Suter and Parise don’t want to live far away from mom and dad.  Pathetic.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 07/04/12 at 01:08 PM ET

I don’t hate it, but I don’t understand why a Badger (Suter) is so eager to play in Minnesota.

Posted by Primis on 07/04/12 at 03:12 PM ET

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Raising them TIX prices at the XCel Center is gonna be real fun.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 07/04/12 at 03:12 PM ET

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And another thing, Minnesota has tied their own hands. How else will they improve? A team is more than 2 guys. What else do they have?? Heatley?? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good luck, kids.

Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 07/04/12 at 03:12 PM ET

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Too funny reading all the sour grapes. Wild have a good team. Heatley, Koivu, Setoguchi and future star Charlie Coyle now add Parise and Suter. Wild will be good for a long time.

Posted by Puckbubba from FL. on 07/04/12 at 03:15 PM ET

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Out about going outside the comfort zone again and making an offer for Weber for the same money? Worst that can happen is the preds match.

See, that’s funny, because I would think the “worst thing they can happen” is that you’d have told your presumptive captain that you don’t give a *#$%@& about him to such a high degree that you’re going against your own history TO SIGN A GUY WHO BASHED HIS HEAD INTO THE WALL IN A FIT OF NEANDERTHAL RAGE.  But if you want to view giving Nashville the chance to sign him long term as being worse then more power to you, I guess.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 07/04/12 at 03:15 PM ET

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Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 07/04/12 at 03:15 PM ET

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I’m not really mad about it.  It’s Minn.  MINN.. Like Chief said, if it were Pitt or Chitown or even Philly I’d be peaved.  But Minn?  Sure, why not.  Doesn’t exactly leave me quakin’ in my boots.  They opted for nice peaceful lives vs. hockey legendry, good on them.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 03:15 PM ET

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In the short term Holland needs to build up his defense.
Over the longer term, I wonder if it is possible to trade for top flight minor leaguers, then develop them over 3 years into the big show.

Posted by w2j2 on 07/04/12 at 03:18 PM ET

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I don’t blame Holland. Not one bit.  These two ladies wanted to play together in a quiet patch of daisies.  They got what they wanted.

Little Houses on the Prairie, or close enough.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/04/12 at 03:18 PM ET

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The commenters saying these guys don’t care about winning because they picked MIN are the epitome of sour grapes. They can definitely win now, and they could retire as the two best players in the city’s history (including the freakin’ North Stars). Haven’t you guys seen some of the teams that have won Cups or almost won Cups in the past decade??? That Edmonton team that went 7 games with Carolina was trash, and so was that Calgary team that went 7 with Tampa. New Jersey just went to the finals with Bryce Salvador’s urn anchoring the blue line. The playoffs are all about shooting pucks through a forest of shin guards. Anyone can win.

Posted by Eric H. on 07/04/12 at 03:19 PM ET

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Yeah, see, NOW is the time for Mr. Tock to prove his worth. Get some interesting-looking pieces from the pile and see if they fit.

Tossing a shitberg of money and time at two people takes no skill, especially when everyone else is doing it too.

Show us your mettle, Ken. Make us proud of you. Show that you’re worthy of being the head cheese.

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 07/04/12 at 03:19 PM ET

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Too funny reading all the sour grapes. Wild have a good team. Heatley, Koivu, Setoguchi and future star Charlie Coyle now add Parise and Suter. Wild will be good for a long time.

Posted by Puckbubba from FL. on 07/04/12 at 01:15 PM ET

Wild may be good until it comes time to resign Heatley, Koivu, Setoguchi and future sta Charlie Coyle.  Parise and Suter just took their money.

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 07/04/12 at 03:20 PM ET

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Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 07/04/12 at 01:15 PM ET

This.

I don’t care if it begins a 21-year run of missing the playoffs, I don’t want Weber.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 03:22 PM ET

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Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 07/04/12 at 01:15 PM ET

Um, you realize there are plenty of Wings fans….yes, WINGS fans….talking about snatching Weber when he’s a UFA next year. Wings traded for Chelios and people got over it. It’s not like it’s Claude the turtle.

Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 07/04/12 at 03:22 PM ET

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What an obnoxious article from a pathetic, entitled pussy.

Posted by mike68 on 07/04/12 at 03:23 PM ET

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The playoffs are all about shooting pucks through a forest of shin guards. Anyone can win.

Posted by Eric H. on 07/04/12 at 01:19 PM ET

You gotta’ get to the playoffs first though, which MIN doesn’t really do.

I’ll remind you, people thought MIN had made the leap when they got Demitra and Roslton.  Also when they brought in Heatley, that was the move supposedly.  When reality sets in, it often differs from on paper.  MIN’s blueline is still abysmal, for example…

Posted by Primis on 07/04/12 at 03:24 PM ET

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This makes me sick to my stomach. I just watched Parise play with so much heart during the playoffs, I cant imagine him being happy in lackluster Minnesota.

Was never as high on Suter as everyone else but we could have used him for sure.

Both of them can jack each other off for the rest of eternity for all I care.

Posted by Yzersyuk on 07/04/12 at 03:24 PM ET

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My worst nightmare: we go with Semin and Carle. F*ck.

Posted by godblender on 07/04/12 at 03:24 PM ET

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Why would you want someone who is not devoted to the team. Suter nor Parise fit that quality that the winged wheel posess. I say good riddens and let go after Jay Bowmeaster , Semin and Ryan. Love Mywings for I know they will not let us down. We will be just fine.

Posted by NewfieWing11 from Newfoundland , Canada on 07/04/12 at 03:25 PM ET

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Anyone who wouldn’t want Weber on their team is clueless. Talk about crybabies…

Posted by godblender on 07/04/12 at 03:26 PM ET

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We lose, but, we win. I coveted Suter, but, we didn’t mortgage away our future. Time for Tick-Tock to go to work.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/04/12 at 03:28 PM ET

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Geeze, get over it.  These 2 had the choice to choose wherever they wanted to go, so what if its not on the list of contenders we all thought would give them the best chance at a cup.  This whole thing sounds like the better franchises feel some sort of entitlement.

Posted by Phockey on 07/04/12 at 03:28 PM ET

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There are excuses abound to use in situations like this, I’ve got no problem with them but keeping perspective is more important than all the other noise that is out there.

The reality is that the Wings brand has taken some of its worst hits of the last 20 years over the past couple of weeks.  They’ve had years to prepare for the Lidstrom retirement and from an outsiders perspective this afternoon, they appear to be bumbling their way through the process because like the rest of us, the Wings brass from Holland to Chelios gave us all the impression that this (and Schultz for that matter) was in the bag.

Unfortunately, the reality of conventional declines that start with blaming the coach > fire coach > new coach > eventual GM firing hat goes on with other non-elite franchises throughout professional sports is actually a real possibility at this moment. 

Goes without saying that the need for a rabbit or four to be pulled from Holland’s hat over the next few weeks has hit an unprecedented high.  Let’s hope he and his management team can deliver or else there’s some potentially rough sledding ahead.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 07/04/12 at 03:29 PM ET

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what the eff is a wild?

Judging by the logo, they literally mean “the wild” - as in “the wilderness”.

Yup.  Sucky.
They look okay at forward, but my god, what an ugly blueline.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 07/04/12 at 03:30 PM ET

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No Doanbags. No fuching way!

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/04/12 at 03:31 PM ET

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Hey Mike68. I hope you show that same level of respect to everyone in the armed service of the USA.You are free to express your opinion, but to call a Master Chief of the US Navy ‘entitled’ is idiotic.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 07/04/12 at 03:41 PM ET

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Um, you realize there are plenty of Wings fans….yes, WINGS fans….talking about snatching Weber when he’s a UFA next year. Wings traded for Chelios and people got over it. It’s not like it’s Claude the turtle.

Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 07/04/12 at 01:22 PM ET

It’s exactly like Claude the turtle.

What’s more; I’ll go a step further and say that Weber’s attack on Z was in some ways worse than Lemieux’s hit on Draper, which at least happened during a game.  Weber tried to injure Z after the game ended.  If you’re going to let that slide because Z didn’t get hurt (or didn’t admit to a concussion anyway), then congrats on your degree from the Colin Campbell School of logic.  That’ll go nicely on your wall with your associates in Prongerian Physics.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 07/04/12 at 03:43 PM ET

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MASTER CHIEF… That’s a frickin’ Sgt Major in Army.  If you’ve never served you don’t understand how much of a distinction that is, you whiney entitled “everyone needs to agree with me” puke bag

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 03:45 PM ET

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Too funny reading all the sour grapes. Wild have a good team. Heatley, Koivu, Setoguchi and future star Charlie Coyle now add Parise and Suter. Wild will be good for a long time.

Sure… with that sterling blueline of Suter, Gilbert, Stoner, Falk, Kampfer and Spurgeon.  Good luck with that.

Posted by calquake on 07/04/12 at 03:50 PM ET

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Unfortunately, the reality of conventional declines that start with blaming the coach > fire coach > new coach > eventual GM firing hat goes on with other non-elite franchises throughout professional sports is actually a real possibility at this moment.

Goes without saying that the need for a rabbit or four to be pulled from Holland’s hat over the next few weeks has hit an unprecedented high.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 07/04/12 at 01:29 PM ET

You hit it right on the head. I also think the frenzy to sign these two players was a desperation move of sorts. Here’s to Holland and that Twicky Wabbit.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/04/12 at 03:50 PM ET

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More opportunity for Smith and he’s gonna be the guy to watch this season, regardless of pick-ups.  May make risky moves, but he’s good/fast enough that there’s not as much risk when he takes them and he usually makes the play.  When he doesn’t I’ve seen him recover and handle the fuchup himself.

We got #2 we’re all good baby!  Shore it up with a shut-down guy on the cheap and trade for a big gun.  We have defensive enough F’s that I think we’ll survive and continue our post-season streak at the very least.

Probably gonna be an abbreviated season as hell, also bodes well for our rookies.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 03:54 PM ET

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Probably gonna be an abbreviated season as hell, also bodes well for our rookies.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 01:54 PM ET

Abbreviated, if we’re lucky and have one at all.  That would help our youth though wouldn’t it?  Throw em’ down in GR, let em’ win a Calder Cup?

Posted by Primis on 07/04/12 at 04:02 PM ET

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I just can’t get on board with the idea that this move doesn’t make Minnesota a contender in the next few years.  Their blueline certainly isn’t blue ribbon, but having those two in the lineup will certainly not hurt to entice others to join their ranks.  Now I’m not saying their gonna go all the way next year, but I’ll bet they are pretty good for a few years, with maybe a cup thrown in there somewhere.

I do however have to say that I don’t like the terms much.  There’s only 1 Nick Lidstrom.  Are both Suter and Parise going to be worth 7.5 million per when their 40.  Not a chance.  In fact I will say that the last 5 years of those contracts could really handcuff the team if they don’t retire first.  (not saying that they will, but a lot can happen in 8 years, athletes don’t always age gracefully, and the hard hitting style of D that Suter plays, could age him rather quickly.) In fact if their both still playing at 40 and the Wild has 15 million dollars locked up in them, then their GM will be hated for generations.  I was actually pretty shocked that Tick Tock offered him a 13 year contract at 90 million, for all the same reasons I mentioned earlier.

We’ll see how it all pans out…

Posted by ITDeuce from The Sunny High Desert on 07/04/12 at 04:04 PM ET

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Too funny reading all the sour grapes. Wild have a good team. Heatley, Koivu, Setoguchi and future star Charlie Coyle now add Parise and Suter. Wild will be good for a long time.

Sure… with that sterling blueline of Suter, Gilbert, Stoner, Falk, Kampfer and Spurgeon.  Good luck with that.

Posted by calquake on 07/04/12 at 01:50 PM ET

Yeah, I’m pretty sure good teams don’t let a few injuries drop them over 10 places in the standings in less than 2 months.  The Wild are much better now.  They have a good chance to make the playoffs now, just like a dozen other teams in the west.

This was the best possible alternative to the Wings not getting Suter especially, or possibly Parise as well.  Two really good players not heading to dangerous teams.  The Wild are just not going to be the reason the Wings don’t get to the Finals again.

Posted by Valek from Chicago on 07/04/12 at 04:05 PM ET

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HTO, I like what the Wings have done this past summer just for GR.  Adding Ryan Sproul and Max Nicastro on the blue after their OHL and collegiate experiences with a defensive-minded head coach in Blashill is only going to help them even more.  We just might be seeing both of those guys sooner than expected.  Looking forward to that.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 07/04/12 at 04:07 PM ET

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$200 million (or thereabouts) is a lot of cheese for TWO PLAYERS. What if one gets hurt?

Depth and size seem to win you championships these days not so much high end talent. That and a scalding hot goaltender.

It’s mystifying to me that Suter and Parise went to MN. Oh well. The true separation of a good GM and a great one (one like Ken Holland) is that they are able to find the right pieces. The next year or two will tell us all we need about KH’s lasting legacy. Personally, I feel like the Red Wings get it done.

Happy 4th Master Chief, thanks man.

Posted by Brooklyn Deuce from Fauborg Marigny on 07/04/12 at 04:15 PM ET

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An overpaid Matt Carle is just as bad as no Matt Carle.  Seriously, this dude is brutal defensively. Will make Kronwall look like the best shutdown defenseman ever. We should not sign this guy, even out of desperation. If we pay him more than 4 mil per season, it is a failure.

Paying Semin more than 5 is a failure as well. Would love if we could get this guy on a one year deal for 4.5 mil, so we aren’t stuck with him if he sucks it up.

Posted by yzer19man from Chicago, IL on 07/04/12 at 04:15 PM ET

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