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Re-Sign Or Trade Gustav Nyquist?

from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

The Detroit Red Wings, sooner or later, will have a decision regarding Gustav Nyquist's future.

He has one year remaining on his contract. Do they try to sign him to an extension, which likely would cost more than $5 million per season?

This team is trying to rebuild by stockpiling draft picks and moving in younger players. It would like to shed as much payroll as possible over the next couple of years. Signing a player who turns 29 on Sept. 1 to a lucrative deal could be counterproductive.

That's why the Red Wings are likely to try to move Nyquist before next year's trade deadline. A source confirmed the club will try to deal Nyquist or Tomas Tatar before this year's deadline (Feb. 26).

It's far from a sure thing, mainly because Nyquist has a no-trade clause, giving him control over where he goes, or even if he goes.

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Ajax19's avatar

Trade.

Next question, please!

Posted by Ajax19 on 02/13/18 at 01:12 PM ET

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This really sounds more and more like the Wings are going into a rebuild mode. If they really want to trade Tatar or Nyq, shed salary, etc…

Posted by ilovehomers on 02/13/18 at 01:15 PM ET

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Signing a player who turns 29 on Sept. 1 to a lucrative deal could be counterproductive.

Well, signing 29 year olds to 5-7 year lucrative contracts is KH special, so I would not be surprised by that.

Posted by VPalmer on 02/13/18 at 01:17 PM ET

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Trade, moving on.

Posted by George0211 on 02/13/18 at 01:20 PM ET

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Trade.

Next question, please!

Nyquist has full control here with NTC. He knows that only in Detroit he will be playing on a first line and first PP unit no matter if you are producing or not. If he goes to another team, he will be at best a second line winger, maybe third and maybe on a second PP unit. He will be playing less minutes too. All of that could negatively reflect on his stats and he will get less as UFA in 2019.

Posted by VPalmer on 02/13/18 at 01:22 PM ET

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If he goes to another team, he will be at best a second line winger, maybe third and maybe on a second PP unit.

Yeah, most teams are thick with 25-goal scorers. In fact, I bet if he gets traded he’s going to have an uphill fight just to be an everyday player.

rolleyes

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 02/13/18 at 01:32 PM ET

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A source confirmed the club will try to deal Nyquist or Tomas Tatar before this year’s deadline (Feb. 26).

I guess that’s the answer, then. 

I see no value to signing Nyquist right now.  He’s playing very well, and I REALLY hope he keeps it up to boost trade value either this season or next.

Posted by TreKronor on 02/13/18 at 01:45 PM ET

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In other news, Ryan Sproul will make his debut with the NYR tonight.

He talks about it.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/13/18 at 01:51 PM ET

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Yeah, most teams are thick with 25-goal scorers

Nyquist scored 12 goals last season, 17 goals two seasons ago and on pace for 23 goals this season, so let’s call him a 25 goal scorer to fit the narrative. That’s playing first line minutes and first PP unit. Nyquist is not physical and not great defensively. Overall because of his offensive contributions, he is still a valuable player and playing really hard this year, but I do not think he is a first line winger and first unit PP guy on any of the contending teams that might trade for him.

I bet if he gets traded he’s going to have an uphill fight just to be an everyday player.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I said, right?

Posted by VPalmer on 02/13/18 at 02:20 PM ET

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I would agree that the Red Wings should attempt to trade Nyquist if possible. That’s pretty obvious really.

It does pain me, though, that either Nike or Tats will likely be sacrificed on the altar of “cutting salary” and “getting younger” while far worse players with far worse contracts soldier on.

This mess probably could have been avoided if Holland had the discipline to walk away from Abdelkader and Helm (or at least one or the other), not sign Nielsen to a ridiculous deal, not sign DDK to a ridiculous deal (he was an RFA, play some damn hardball), etc. Even if Holland had only not done one or two of those things we’d be in a lot better shape.

But hey, broken record.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 02/13/18 at 02:54 PM ET

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Nyquist has full control here with NTC. He knows that only in Detroit he will be playing on a first line and first PP unit no matter if you are producing or not. If he goes to another team, he will be at best a second line winger, maybe third and maybe on a second PP unit. He will be playing less minutes too. All of that could negatively reflect on his stats and he will get less as UFA in 2019.

I understand that Nyquist has a NTC and, thus, has control.  But players waive their NTC’s all of the time.  While I understand the rest of that argument, I think, in reality, it would fall apart pretty quickly. 

So, under this theory, the Wings ask Nyquist to waive his NTC so they can trade him at the deadline next year.  Nyquist says, “Nope!  Not gonna do it. I get first line minutes and PP unit time here.  I won’t likely get that anywhere else, so, in order to keep my stats up and get more monies on July 1st, I’ll just stay here and get my first line minutes and PP time to increase my value.” 

While possible, I just don’t see that happening.  First, couldn’t the Wings just then demote him to third line or take him off PP duties? 

Second, couldn’t word of this likely get out to other teams and thus lower his free agent value? 

Third, wouldn’t the prospect of playing on a team that will actually make the playoffs and possibly win the Cup be something that actually appeal to Nyquist? 

Fourth, why wouldn’t Nyquist take the gamble on himself that, if he goes to a playoff team, that maybe he makes a strong impact, or the team goes on a playoff run and Nyquist is able to contribute in some meaningful way and turn that into a even bigger payday than if he just languished in Detroit and didn’t make it to the playoffs?  (See, e.g., Smith, Brendan)

Signing him after his deal runs out doesn’t make any sense.  At his age, he really isn’t part of the future of this club, and the Wings need to be all about the future, because the present kinda stinks.  As a result, that means trying to trade him.  Will the Wings get a great return for him?  Assuming he continues to play along the lines of how he is playing now, and doesn’t go bonkers next year, no, probably not.  He would add some depth scoring and skill to some team’s 2nd or 3rd line, which might be valuable.  So, while the return might not be great, it’d be better than just letting him walk. 

So, again, trade him.

Posted by Ajax19 on 02/13/18 at 02:55 PM ET

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The Detroit Red Wings, sooner or later, will have a decision regarding Gustav Nyquist’s future.

Well, he’s a trade candidates according to Brian Lawton.


It’s overdue, trade.

Posted by Tripwire32 from Kay He Mar Heart on 02/13/18 at 02:58 PM ET

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At this point I’d say trade anyone not Larkin/AA/Mantha (and Z, because really, he’s not going anywhere)

Posted by neffernin on 02/13/18 at 03:15 PM ET

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Should have traded him before his NTC kicked in back in July but Kenny is asleep at the wheel it seems.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 02/13/18 at 03:27 PM ET

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Nyquist says, “Nope!  Not gonna do it. I get first line minutes and PP unit time here.

He does not have to say it loud. He just can say I love it here in Detroit and I want to be part of a rebuild led by Holland. That would get him a 5 year contract with another NTC right on the spot.
And by the way, I have no doubts he indeed loves it here, so he could be absolutely sincere there.

Posted by VPalmer on 02/13/18 at 04:13 PM ET

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Trade basically everyone for picks/prospects.

At this point, nobody will still be around whenever Detroit rises back to contender status.  It’d be dumb to keep guys around and not get a return for them for later.

Posted by Primis on 02/13/18 at 06:51 PM ET

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