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Mike Green’s Recovery And His Thoughts On The Wings

from Emily Kaplan of ESPN,

By mid-June, Green started to train again -- walking, jogging, ramping it up slowly. It wasn't until late July that he really felt better. He has been a full participant for the Red Wings since the start of camp this year, and he feels as healthy as ever.

Green's contract and $5.375 million cap hit expire at the end of this season. He loves it in Detroit but is firmly aware of his place on the team.

"The game is getting a lot younger," Green said. "The value is in potential, as opposed to experience. As an older guy, you need to prove yourself at a high level in this league. Because it is competitive, and the demand to win now is extremely high. You just can't hold on to the fact that you're an older guy and have that experience level. That doesn't make you secure."...

It has been an interesting time in Red Wings history since Green landed in Detroit. He arrived for the end of the playoff streak, and the team hasn't been very good for most of his time. "We've had some transitions where some of the older guys have retired, and we're trying to expedite the young guys taking over," he said. "It's all part of the process, the mentality and behind the scenes of building a team. But in a short period of time, or at least quicker than most people think, there will be a winning hockey club here. That's because I see the degree of work ethic this group has." Green, like many players in Detroit, expressed optimism that things might turn around a bit more quickly now that GM Steve Yzerman is in the fold.

Green finished with this: "Listen, I believe in miracles. There's a great chance of winning here. You look at teams like St. Louis last year. They were in last place. Look at Tampa -- prior to their runs in the playoffs, they didn't make the playoffs the year before. So whether you want to call those miracles or what, anything can happen is what i'm trying to say. I believe in this organization, this team, these guys. We all want to win."

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Paul's avatar

from Nicholas J. Cotsonika of NHL.com,

This is a 6-foot-5, 234-pound man with soft hands who can be a dominant power forward. He just has to play like it. The Red Wings have been on him to move his feet more and have more of a shooting mentality.

“I’ve been with him a long time, and he cares a bunch, and he wants to be good,” Blashill said. “He’s a guy that when he’s confident, he’s exponentially better, and you’re seeing that right now.”

The Stars led 2-0 entering the second period Sunday. Mantha scored on a one-timer on the power play at 48 seconds, then drove to the net around defenseman Esa Lindell and slipped the puck past goalie Anton Khudobin at 9:43. Game tied 2-2.

“If I go hard to the net like that, there’s not a lot of [defensemen] that can stop me, that are bigger than me,” Mantha said. “I need to keep going that way and bring more to the net.”

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/07/19 at 10:28 AM ET

TreKronor's avatar

“The game is getting a lot younger,” Green said. “The value is in potential, as opposed to experience.

I think there is a lot of benefit to having someone like Green around on a team that has a lot of young talent.  Not sure if he’ll be on the team next year or not, but I think he’s a good fit on the team right now and I’m glad he’s still here.

Posted by TreKronor on 10/07/19 at 11:21 AM ET

Primis's avatar

I really like Green and have since he’s been in DET.  When I’ve wanted the vets moved, I’ve always not really mentioned him because I think he’s the most important piece on the blueline still and needs to be around with the kids.  I’m glad he’s feeling and doing better, and hopefully he can stay healthy here this season because I think he can help Hronek, Cholowski, and nay other kids that are up.  Larkin’s not wrong, their record with Green in the lineup is markedly better.  He makes the team better and doesn’t get enough credit.

This is a 6-foot-5, 234-pound man with soft hands who can be a dominant power forward. He just has to play like it. The Red Wings have been on him to move his feet more and have more of a shooting mentality.

Who was the last guy with a 4 goal game for DET, Franzen vs Ottawa?

Mantha really has been trying harder and really has been moving his feet more.  He’s finding his NHL game I think.  Does that mean he’s going to score 50 eventually?  No, but he should have scored 30+ last year had he not missed games.  If he, Larkin, and Athanasiou can all score 30 or 30+, that’s an awfully good core of goalscoring, and he can maybe emerge as the star goalscorer the WIngs have missed… which would benefit a guy like Larkin or AA still, if teams need to focus more on Mantha (and to an extent Bertuzzi might also benefit more even).

This is some ride the first two games.  But I personally am not looking at the W’s as much as the progress of the young players.  That alone is looking good and giving me hope.  I want the long game ot pan out here, not just a good season this year.

Posted by Primis on 10/07/19 at 11:30 AM ET

Chris in Hockey Hell's avatar

I think we’re really going to be in trouble when teams figure out how to slow down the MLB line. They’ve scored practically all of our points so far. I really fear out lack of depth scoring.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 10/07/19 at 12:22 PM ET

Paul's avatar

If you missed it, Mantha is the 2nd Star of the Week.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/07/19 at 12:23 PM ET

TreKronor's avatar

I think we’re really going to be in trouble when teams figure out how to slow down the MLB line. They’ve scored practically all of our points so far. I really fear out lack of depth scoring.

Seems like the first two weeks of the NHL season are usually more offense-based.  Around 1.5 to 2 weeks in teams start to figure out defensive structures. 

I bet the Wings have a hard time getting 3 goals a game after a couple weeks.

Posted by TreKronor on 10/07/19 at 12:26 PM ET

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I think we’re really going to be in trouble when teams figure out how to slow down the MLB line.

Or when teams simply get into the groove of the regular season.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 10/07/19 at 12:26 PM ET

MurrayChadwick's avatar

Teams might start to do better when they start their starter vs. backup against us too.

At some point AA rejoins the team and gives us a 2nd line.

Positive marks from me on the Nemeth and Erne signings.

Low expectations can easily be exceeded and make this a rather fun year.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 10/07/19 at 12:44 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Jared Clinton of The Hockey News,

It’s not just because Mantha went out and had a remarkable four-goal night that he’s worth talking about as a breakout candidate, however. No, this is something that we started to see signs of last season and even the season before that. With each campaign, Mantha’s offensive growth has been apparent and his base numbers are enough to indicate that he’s one to watch. In each of his three full campaigns prior to 2019-20, Mantha has seen an increase in his goals per game rate and his points per game rate, which remained an even .60 across his rookie and sophomore campaigns, saw a rise to .72 in his injury-shortened 2018-19 season. Extrapolated across a full season, he’s fresh off of campaign in which he scored at a 30-goal, 60-point clip.

But it’s also worth noting his production rates at five-a-side. Since his first full season in 2016-17, Mantha has consistently made the most of his opportunities. Across the past three seasons, he has skated nearly 3,000 minutes at 5-on-5, scoring at a rate of .74 goals and 1.87 points per 60 minutes. To give those numbers some context, his goal rate is right up there with the likes of Jack Eichel, Phil Kessel and Aleksander Barkov. His points rate puts him in the same company as Tyler Seguin, Patrik Laine and Teuvo Teravainen. Those are players with either 40-goal potential, 80-point upside or both. That Mantha has produced at similar rates is promising, to say the least.

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/07/19 at 01:02 PM ET

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I think we’re really going to be in trouble when teams figure out how to slow down the MLB line. They’ve scored practically all of our points so far. I really fear out lack of depth scoring.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 10/07/19 at 12:22 PM ET

What you hope is that they keep it up just enough that AA can get back in the lineup and DET can establish some chemsitry between Hirose-AA-______ and then teams can’t concentrate on just the one line.

Posted by Primis on 10/07/19 at 02:32 PM ET

Royal Grand Exalted PooBah's avatar

Hirose-AA-______

I think Erne has the best hands and speed of anyone left on the bottom lines and would do well here. Put Glendenning on the Fil , Neil line. Or maybe Abby.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 10/07/19 at 04:49 PM ET

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Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 10/07/19 at 12:22 PM ET

No question that is going to happen.

This past weekend was a double-edged sword: we saw how effective our top-line is; we also saw how that same line is the only line that can score. Such a lack of scoring depth will come back to haunt you sooner rather than later.

It’s still going to be a long season. Opening weekend and all the good feelings it created will be a distant memory by Christmas.

But, why not enjoy it for now? It’s going to be a long season, having a little fun and excitement for two games isn’t going to hurt anybody.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 10/07/19 at 05:13 PM ET

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