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Michigan Governor Says No Full Stadiums Until A Vaccine Is Found

from Evan Petzoid of the Detroit Free Press,

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer doubled down Friday on her stance on fans attending sporting events this fall: No full stadiums until a vaccine is available.

“We're going to be in a new normal for quite a while," Whitmer said during her weekly news conference, "and it doesn't mean that sports is over. Sports is not over."

"We need a vaccine, and we need mass quantities available to be able to test and acknowledge we have some immunity built up. We're not there yet. Until that happens, I think all the organizers of these leagues understand how important it is that we act responsibly here."


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Red Winger's avatar

Michigan’s Governor also has the UP of Michigan in the same lock-down status as Detroit.

We’ve had two cases here: one was a Florida resident who was as her summer home for a week and the other was a prisoner transported up here from downstate. 

Listen to Michigan’s Governor with a grain of salt

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 05/16/20 at 05:43 PM ET

d ca's avatar

Completely False statement and part of the problem.

There are a total of 101 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the Upper Peninsula with 15 deaths and at least 54 recoveries as of May 14th.

Factual source

Just because the rural area that just came out of snow season has been spared so far doesn’t mean it would have without that order….this disease doesn’t magically stop at the bridge.

...you know how many people around the Detroit suburbs were mad because they couldn’t go to “their property up North"once April rolled around….it was a comment I heard quite a bit of.

It’s science dictating policy…not politics.

And just because some people believe the Earth is flat, that it is about 5000 years old, that Covid-19 is a hoax….doesn’t make those things true.

Healthy people are dying of this disease. Healthy children are dying from immune responses related to this disease and not in the official count. It’s a terrible way to go and thinking otherwise is crass.

Yes, science dictates mass gatherings with people not social distancing is a 2nd wave just waiting to happen.

So, politics aside—-you better take heed and follow not just listen to Michigan’s Governor on this point.

Posted by d ca on 05/16/20 at 08:19 PM ET


Posted by d ca on 05/16/20 at 08:19 PM ET


Posted by BaromirBragr on 05/16/20 at 09:34 PM ET

Hippy Dave's avatar

@Red Winger as someone who’s in a major city right now (and owns a bar which of course isn’t doing so hot), consider yourself lucky these policies have spared you a bit.  Hopefully they ease the spread to a point where you can open again soon, and not be in this state a year from now, which is what happens if we ease off the brakes too quickly.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Somewhere West of Detroit on 05/17/20 at 03:13 AM ET

SYF's avatar

We’re slowly - like, real slowly - re-opening here in Vegas.  There are some mom-and-pop shops already open for dine-in eating.  In recent weeks, Mayor Goodman and Governor Sisolak were at odds on re-opening Vegas to some sort of normalcy.  The Gov wants to go by the CDC recommendations whereas the Mayor wants a studied and careful approach based on the numbers she’s getting from a consortium of researchers from UMC, UNLV, and the Southern Nevada Health District because she realizes people are gonna enter into foreclosure proceedings if they don’t get to work as soon as possible. 

Upon their re-opening, the Wynn plans to make their second property (the Encore) a total non-smoking casino and it is being met with overwhelming approval from the public and the employees.  The Wynn will be BAU, of course, but the Encore will be bullish about being a non-smoking casino. 

While it’s entirely possible that Vegas won’t re-open to the levels pre-March 27th for the next several months, at least, people are working.  And from the conversations I’ve had with some of them, they are acutely aware of the new normal, but at least, they are working.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 05/17/20 at 03:48 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

It’s science dictating policy…not politics.

Posted by d ca on 05/16/20 at 08:19 PM ET

I have great respect for your hockey knowledge and your commentary here, d ca. But if you think it’s science and not politics that’s motivating “I wanna be the VP” Whitmer, then think again. She went power crazy as soon as Biden showed a hint of interest in her.

She dictated what products people couls buy and from what stores they could buy them. She decided that kayaks were COVID-19 safe, but a row boat with a trolling motor on it was not. And on, and on, and on.

Power makes all politicians go a bit crazy. But Gretchen has lost her mind trying to grab her “piece of the cheese.”

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/17/20 at 04:17 PM ET

MurrayChadwick's avatar

It’s science dictating policy…not politics.

No sir, that is the completely False statement. 

This is a public policy, and that is the very definition of politics.  Sure there is science being used to assist in the decision making, but there is no formula providing for a clear answer, no Pollyanna statistical choice here, someone is making a decision on fact sets, and each way has consequences, such as people not seeing their doctors, getting regularly tested, domestic abuse, etc. etc. There’s science in all numbers, someone has to make the decision on them, that’s why many governors are going into different directions, its not the science, its the politics. 

Healthy people are dying of this disease. Healthy people also die of heart attacks going for a jog, driving to work, choking on food as well, there’s always a statistical probability for anything life. There’s inherent risk in living.

The science actually showed the statistical mortality rate for the immune compromised and elderly was the highest, and some governors actually kept or shuttled Covid positive patients in those homes, same governors with the highest death totals, so that grain of salt when listening to certain governors as suggested by Red Winger is wise advise.

I’m not advocating for packed arenas this weekend by the way, unsure anyone is. Covid19 is certainly no hoax, but its not the death plaque the media has made it out to be either. It is very contagious More of us had this without symptoms or unreported. As the true infection number rises, a second wave might actually achieve herd immunity faster than a vaccine, and at that point, we might be shoulder to shoulder in a stadium again.



Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/17/20 at 08:15 PM ET

Bent's avatar

I want to point out Red Winger was referring to our county when he referenced the number of cases, it just wasn’t clear he wasn’t speaking of the whole UP.

Posted by Bent from The U.P. on 05/17/20 at 11:45 PM ET

WingedRider's avatar

The majority say that a Vaccine is probably in (late) 2021.  I guess someone in China went jogging and there was another outbreak of Covid 19. Wahun is locked down and currently 11 Million residents are to be tested in ten days, OK.

Some people are carrying the disease but show no symptoms, some have twice or more tested positive.  Not sure if all the decision makers have the same opinions on this disease.  A few success stories but in Canada but Ontario and Quebec have far too many deaths.

The issue of lifting the bans too soon appears to be a moving target and too soon would be a big mistake.  Not sure on the USA situation.

All sorts of predictions out there.

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 05/20/20 at 12:15 AM ET

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