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Let’s Play A New Game. We’ll Call It…“WTF Are You DOING?”

This is cute.

The Detroit Red Wings switched up small, skilled forward prospects on Tuesday, recalling Gustav Nyquist from the Grand Rapids Griffins and sending down Tomas Tatar to their AHL affiliate.

Deep Digger Captain Ansar Khan(!!!) offers nothing other than that, as in no quotes or commentary. But it's enough, really.

Is this franchise trying to prove that stupidity can be common? Is this some fairy tale I'm living through? Am I in Denver?

So...forget putting Tatar--arguably the most creative offensive player on the Wings the last month or so--on a line with Datsyuk.  That's just crazy talk.  You NEED Abdelkader on that line, Mike. 

Logic. There's got to be some. We're just missing it.  Emmerton's staying up. Tatar goes down.  Abdelkader on a line with Datsyuk. Tatar goes down.  8 healthy defensemen with Fredo coming back soon to make 9...and Tatar goes down. 

The team cannot score on the power play, Abdelkader still plays WITH DATSYUK, and Tatar goes down.

Trade deadline's coming up and our "big deal" will be Helm coming back.  Money to spend, holes to fill...and a whole lot of jack shit to show for it.  Everyone's talking about the need for a top four defenseman?  Really?  No. We don't need that.

We need a scorer, or we need a Datsyuk.  Well, I mean, we have one.  But we need one who's not being wasted.  JFC.  This is unbearable. 

The dirty road beckons. It's filthy and twisty turny and the Wings can't score there, much less win.  So what do we do? Send down Tatar.

Ready. Set. Vomit.  Loudly. Violently. And not neatly. 

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Bill Roose tweets:

Looks like Filppula maybe ready to return. He’s working drills with Zetterberg and Brunner. Other lines are: 93-13-14, 11-8-63, 20-25-22.

But wait.  That Z, Fil, Brunner line.  There’s no size there.  No size!!

Posted by MoreShoot on 03/12/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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The point of contention appears to be that the posters here believe Tatar is a top 6 forward right now, today, while the coach of the team does not.

While the coach believes Abdelkader is a top six forward, and he has been proven wrong.

He’s not awful defensively, but he hasn’t been playing many good offensive players yet either.

And he would be playing with the best two-way player in the game, while allowing that player’s offensive talents to not go to waste the way they are right now as he plays with a fourth liner.

Since Tatar hasn’t gotten the whole package to the point where he can be trusted out there against top 6 oppo, then why not switch him for a different player who most likely has

Or, since Tatar was already playing in Detroit -and he was called up with everyone knowing full well that he’s not suited for a bottom six role- they could give him a f*cking chance to show what he can do in a top six role.

With or without Tatar playing in the top 6 this team isn’t very good right now

But, see, it’s possible that the team could be much better than they are now, with playing slotted onto lines that match up with their ideal roles.  How do we know that putting Tatar on a line with Datsyuk wouldn’t end up being even better than Zetterberg and Brunner were together at the beginning of the season?  Unless, you know, they give it a shot?

Posted by Garth on 03/12/13 at 01:11 PM ET

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But wait.  That Z, Fil, Brunner line.  There’s no size there.  No size!!

Maybe Abdelkader can centre that line and Zetterberg can centre Miller and Tootoo’s line.

Posted by Garth on 03/12/13 at 01:11 PM ET

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We’re a LONG ways away from being the 30th best team in the league.

Posted by LivinLaVidaLockout on 03/12/13 at 02:08 PM ET

I agree.  However the Wings probably ARE the 17th to 20th best team in the league and that will get you a golf date when the playoffs start.  Changes must be made or the slide will continue next year.

Posted by calquake from a.k.a. Uniquake, workin' on my manifesto on 03/12/13 at 01:15 PM ET

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“WTF Are You DOING?”

I got nothing, it defies explanation.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 03/12/13 at 01:21 PM ET

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All will be good. What the hell do we know, we are just RW fans anxious for a win. We do not see the bigger picture, we do not understand the subtle undertones of this complex game. We must be patient, we must believe. The Cleary, Datsyuk, Abby line is to be worshipped.

Posted by joedaiceman on 03/12/13 at 01:43 PM ET

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I agree.  However the Wings probably ARE the 17th to 20th best team in the league and that will get you a golf date when the playoffs start.  Changes must be made or the slide will continue next year.
   
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      on 03/12/13 at 02:15 PM ET

17-20th at least gets you into the draft lottery. It’s finishing 12-16 that is a complete waste of a season. Not good enough to have a decent playoff run (and gain valuable playoff experience). Not sucky enough to get a good draft position to improve.

Treading water is not going to get this team back to the Cup. I think we all agree that this team needs more talent before it can contend for the Cup. In a Cap World, the draft is the only way to get that talent. Trades don’t work because the salaries have to match (or one of the teams involved is dumping salary ie an overpaid player). FA can get you one, maybe two pieces of the puzzle, but you have to overpay on the open market and then everyone else on your team wants theirs. So the draft is the only way to go.

As a Wings fan, what is most important to you? That we win the Cup again, or that we keep this meaningless playoff appearnce streak alive? The two are mutually exlcusive. Out of every ten years, I think a team needs to miss the playoffs (missing by a lot is better than missing by a little) three times, preferably in succession. Three seasons of suckage gives a good core for the next seven years. If you’re lucky you can win a couple of Cups during that Window.

 

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 03/12/13 at 01:51 PM ET

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The Cleary, Datsyuk, Abby line is to be worshipped.
   
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    joedaiceman
     
      on 03/12/13 at 02:43 PM ET

What flavor of Kool Aid are you drinking today?

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 03/12/13 at 01:52 PM ET

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When did the NHL become the NBA?

17-20th at least gets you into the draft lottery. It’s finishing 12-16 that is a complete waste of a season. Not good enough to have a decent playoff run (and gain valuable playoff experience). Not sucky enough to get a good draft position to improve.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 03/12/13 at 02:04 PM ET

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Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 03/12/13 at 02:08 PM ET

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That was the Wings MO when they were stacked with talent on the big club and the players they drafted late and in the lower rounds needed “seasoning.”

It’s still the MO though.  Ericsson and Kindl weren’t given any kind of significant role until there were no other people to do it.  Even this year, when there literally weren’t enough warm bodies to ice a full lineup, they picked up Kent Huskins and played him over Kindl.

Posted by Garth on 03/12/13 at 02:13 PM ET

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That was the Wings MO when they were stacked with talent on the big club and the players they drafted late and in the lower rounds needed “seasoning.”

AND, they were in the running for Justin Schultz but wouldn’t guarantee him a spot, so he went elsewhere.

Posted by Garth on 03/12/13 at 02:14 PM ET

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It’s finishing 12-16 that is a complete waste of a season. Not good enough to have a decent playoff run

Los Angeles Kings, defending Stanley Cup champs.

13th place in the league.

Posted by Garth on 03/12/13 at 02:17 PM ET

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What does drafting first overall mean if they’re going to stick him in f*cking Grand Rapids until he’s old enough to rent a car?

Posted by Garth on 03/12/13 at 01:30 PM ET

Still wiping water off my screen.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 03/12/13 at 02:17 PM ET

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Bill Roose tweets:

Looks like Filppula maybe ready to return. He’s working drills with Zetterberg and Brunner. Other lines are: 93-13-14, 11-8-63, 20-25-22.

Posted by MoreShoot on 03/12/13 at 02:10 PM ET

Hmm. I actually like the look of these lines for a change.

When did the NHL become the NBA?

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 03/12/13 at 03:04 PM ET

It started the transformation in 2004, and completed it in 2013. wink

I know you were being rhetorical, but I had to.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 03/12/13 at 02:27 PM ET

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When did the NHL become the NBA?

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 03/12/13 at 03:04 PM ET

Last Week.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/03/nhl_draft_lottery_changed_to_g.html

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 03/12/13 at 02:33 PM ET

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It’s still the MO though.  Ericsson and Kindl weren’t given any kind of significant role until there were no other people to do it.  Even this year, when there literally weren’t enough warm bodies to ice a full lineup, they picked up Kent Huskins and played him over Kindl.
Posted by Garth on 03/12/13 at 03:13 PM ET

Kindl and Ericsson were not draft lottery talent. They needed the seasoning in GR. Kindl is marginal NHL’er at best. You think he’d be in the top 6 on the hawks, ducks, habs or pens? No way. He’d be a Black Ace or in the minors. E52 would have trouble cracking those lineups.

If the Wings fall apart on the looming road-heavy portion of their schedule and are lucky enough to draft high in the first round, there is no way Seth Jones, Nathan McKinnon, Valeri Nichushkin, Nikita Zadorov or any of the other top 10 prospects will be sitting in GR next year.

The Wings haven’t had a top ten pick in over 20 years,* so they have not had the opportunity to draft players that were ready to play immediately in the NHL. The Brain Trust hasn’t completely lost it. If they get a top ten pick, that player will be wearing the Winged Wheel at the Joe in October.

*That show’s you how amazing the Brain Trust is. But even they can’t turn lead into gold, especially now that other teams (and central scouting) have caught up in finding and evaluating talent.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 03/12/13 at 02:52 PM ET

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The bad news is, there’s not much hope organizationally on D.

Oh man, I totally disagree.  Sproul, Ouelette and Backman are kids who all have an incredibly good shot at being legit NHLers.  I don’t think there’s anything in the system behind them, but still.  Three kids with legit top 4 potential is nothing to sneeze at.

But these kinds of things happen.  Right now Detroit has a bit of depth at G and D but a whole boatload of depth at F in their system.

All of this aside, I gotta say it’s pretty hilarious to see the leading scorer in the freaking AHL getting called up and most of the people here finding reasons to bitch about it.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/12/13 at 02:52 PM ET

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Ericsson and Kindl weren’t given any kind of significant role until there were no other people to do it.

This is stupid, and wrong.

E less than 30 NHL games under his belt before he was playing almost 19 a night in the playoffs for Detroit on a team that had Lidstrom, Raffy, Stuart, and Kronwall.

And oh by the way, there was a whole chorus of people who got their jollies crushing Ericsson’s play for years.  Turning that around to now bitch about him not playing sooner is really, really dumb.

Kindl wasn’t playing sooner because Kindl’s not as good as E, nor is he very good in general.  And this is why the team picked up FAs to play over him.  They worried (rightly) that Kindl was not even a competent NHL dman.  He has elevated his game to the point of competence, barely, but that’s it.

He’s essentially in a death-struggle with Lashoff and White for the last two spots on the active roster.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/12/13 at 03:01 PM ET

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E less than 30 NHL games under his belt before he was playing almost 19 a night in the playoffs for Detroit on a team that had Lidstrom, Raffy, Stuart, and Kronwall.

And he was rewarded for his play -the play that had people going gaga over him- by playing on the bottom pairing.  He wasn’t given a significant role until Rafalski, Stuart and Lidstrom were all gone.

Thank you for supporting my argument while calling me stupid.

He has elevated his game to the point of competence, barely, but that’s it.

Hmm, so when I said Kindl wasn’t “given any kind of significant role until there were no other people to do it” I was wrong and stupid?  Because you JUST F*CKING AGREED WITH ME, MORON.

Turning that around to now bitch about him not playing sooner is really, really dumb.

If you think that’s the argument then you’re a f*cking retard.

Posted by Garth on 03/12/13 at 03:08 PM ET

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Wikipedia has a page for each year of the NHL Draft. The pages also have links to the previous and succeeding years, so you can click through the drafts year by year.

Start with the 2003 draft. Those17-18 year old kids are now in the prime of their careers. The Wings did not even have a first round pick because they traded it to LA for ? Too bad to because Corey Perry and Shea Weber were still on the board when the Wings would have drafted. The Wings second round pick that year was Jimmah.

Take a look at 2004. The Wings traded their first rounder for Robert Lang (and a bag of pucks). They got Mike Green. Hmm.

The draft ain’t exactly an exact science, but high picks are a hell of a lot more likey to become solid NHL’ers than always mining for the late round overlooked gems.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 03/12/13 at 03:32 PM ET

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Wow its getting pretty angry in here. To all of the people here who say we lack the talent to compete for a cup here, now, this season I’ll just stoke the fires and say your wrong. First of all I think many of you are judging our D by the expectations you had for them instead of how they are actually playing. Lets look at our basic goals against stat, we rank 11th with a 2.46 by chance that’s Jimmy Howard’s exact GAA as well. Just seeing that says that our D and our goal tending are putting us in contention to win most nights. Our special teams are the only reason we’re not higher on that list. Looking at our players individually. Kronwall is ranking fifth in the league in points. Jakub Kindl and Kyle Quincey (for all their faults) are ranked 11th and 16th in the league in plus/minus. Brendan Smith is slowly developing into a reliable d man. Ericcson and Lashoff have both been revelations this season that I don’t think anyone really expected. Our d is allot more solid than people give it credit for. Between them and our goal tending (which you have to be blind to not be exited about between Jimmy, Gustavson, and Mrazek) we have a chance to win almost every night. The problem is scoring goals. Which is why it remains incomprehensible that talented goalscorers in Nyquist and Tatar are not getting to play more minutes over guys like cleary and Abby.

Posted by Yzersyuk on 03/12/13 at 03:39 PM ET

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Mike Babcock: Beating swords into plowshares since 2008.

Posted by Thunderpriest on 03/12/13 at 06:28 PM ET

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One thing the Defense needs to work on is shooting.  Quincey has all the accuracy of Samuelsson.  Lidstrom could thread the needle.  We seem to rely on shots from the point, as we always have, but have seen a downturn in the ability both to put the shot on net, and to redirect.

Posted by Colquhoun on 03/12/13 at 06:31 PM ET

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I can understand the “someone has to go down, sorry kid but you still have AHL eligibility” line of thinking as far as sending Tatar down is concerned.  Maybe Nyquist will be an upgrade there, hard to say.  I like Tatar, he’s played really well for us.  If they’re going to let Nyquist rot on the fourth line it doesn’t really make any sense, especially if they have to send him right back down once Fil comes back.  But, maybe that is the plan.  Tatar gets some NHL time, Nyquist gets some,  they both have to go back down sometime no matter what, once everyone else comes back.  Who knows anymore.  Maybe Tatar hit on Bab’s wife.

Posted by monkey from Prague on 03/12/13 at 07:21 PM ET

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It’s finishing 12-16 that is a complete waste of a season. Not good enough to have a decent playoff run (and gain valuable playoff experience).

The Los Angeles Kings and New Jersey Devils both called for you.

Posted by monkey from Prague on 03/12/13 at 07:23 PM ET

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I’ve eaten at JFC, their chicken is delicious.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 03/12/13 at 07:27 PM ET

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Looks like Filppula maybe ready to return. He’s working drills with Zetterberg and Brunner. Other lines are: 93-13-14, 11-8-63, 20-25-22.

Fil comes back and Datsyuk gets paired with Abby and Emmy.

Posted by monkey from Prague on 03/12/13 at 07:28 PM ET

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  Other lines are: 93-13-14, 11-8-63, 20-25-22.

Fil comes back and Datsyuk gets paired with Abby and Emmy.

No, that’s not what that says, I was just being cynical.  Franzen, Datsyuk, and Nyquist.  Tatar worked his ass off to earn his spot back in Grand Rapids while Nyquist gets called up straight to the second line.  Fascinating.

Fillpula - Zetterberg - Brunner
Franzen - Datsyuk - Nyquist
Cleary - Andersson - Abdelkader
Miller - Emmerton - Tootoo

*#$%@&, I have it.  Babcock wanted to put Tatar on Datsyuk’s line but he couldn’t because it would look like he was letting fans call the shots.  So with Fil coming back, they sent Tatar down, called Nyquist up, and put Nyquist (Tatar’s roster spot) on Datsyuk’s line.  He gets to end the WTF line fiasco without losing face.  What are we complaining about?  We WON!

Posted by monkey from Prague on 03/12/13 at 07:37 PM ET

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What do we win Monkey? Sanity?  A cat scan for our bloated livers?

I have a bad feeling that either Niquil or Tater Tots are going to be gone by the trading deadline.
Tick Tock needs to get his ass up off his laurels and start giving a shit about the future of his team. Selling maybe in the best interests of the long term plans for this team.

Posted by cigar_nurse from Home of the Cup Champion Greenville Pylons on 03/12/13 at 08:04 PM ET

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*#$%@&, I have it.  Babcock wanted to put Tatar on Datsyuk’s line but he couldn’t because it would look like he was letting fans call the shots.  So with Fil coming back, they sent Tatar down, called Nyquist up, and put Nyquist (Tatar’s roster spot) on Datsyuk’s line.  He gets to end the WTF line fiasco without losing face.  What are we complaining about?  We WON!
   
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    monkey
     
    from Fear and Loathing on 03/12/13 at 08:37 PM ET

Love it! This is bat country

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 03/12/13 at 08:12 PM ET

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A cat scan for our bloated livers?

I love that song, “Cat Scan Fever”.

Posted by calquake from a.k.a. Uniquake, workin' on my manifesto on 03/12/13 at 08:42 PM ET

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A cat scan for our bloated livers?

I’m putting a new band together in honor of the 19. “Liver Damage”.

I honestly have no idea where we will end up at the end of the season. I am not keen on the idea of missing the playoffs. By the same token I defiantly am not keen on the idea of making the playoffs just for the sake of keeping a streak of 22 years straight.

Doesn’t St.Louis have the record at 25 years? Look how that has worked out for them. Prestige is great but at what point do we go into the playoff run knowing we can win the Cup? Just getting there is not good enough after last season’s hard lesson.

I know an 8th seed won the Cup but at what point do we start to have the confidence to once again be the arrogant bastards as fans that we should be?
More importantly at what point do the players have the attitude and desire to go all the way? That aspect is completely on the Coach.

Holland has to make a move. No more ” I really like our team” bullshit. I do not like Babcock. I see the stats same as everyone. He wins more than he loses but no Cups in 5 years makes me question his ability to get it done.

He is not using the best player in the game to any advantage to help the team. He does have other options but will not budge. I have wondered this season if it is something personal with Datsyuk and Babcock. Babcock being the problem rather than the solution.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from AZ-made in Detroit on 03/12/13 at 10:22 PM ET

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Perhaps TickTock told Uncle Mike to get Fil out ASAP to make him a little more valuable on the trade floor?

Fil’s going to go on a career saving mission this week….it’s do or die time and he’s been given 1 more chance.

Posted by The Hurricane on 03/12/13 at 10:44 PM ET

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I have been eating clay and straw with swigs of water, because I once said if Tatar got sent down I would shit bricks, and that is how I remember this man making them.

Heston, Charlton (Ten Commandements, The)_NRFPT_02

Posted by RWBill from the Babcock school of cheese grabbing. on 03/13/13 at 12:02 AM ET

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I have been eating clay and straw with swigs of water, because I once said if Tatar got sent down I would shit bricks, and that is how I remember this man making them.

For the sake of levity I’m assuming that was before he became president of the NRA.

Posted by calquake from a.k.a. Uniquake, workin' on my manifesto on 03/13/13 at 01:11 AM ET

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You are absolutely, no holds barred, the best blogger ever.

Posted by joedaiceman on 05/14/13 at 06:39 PM ET

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