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Ken Holland Keeping Busy At The NHL Draft Combine

from Craig Custance of The Athletic,

He was busy interviewing players as prep work for the slew of draft picks the Red Wings have, but he also branched out into other territories.

There was a dinner with the Newport group, who represent Mike Green, a potential unrestricted free agent the Red Wings are interested in bringing back. Holland also met with CAA’s Pat Brisson, to lay the groundwork on a bridge contract for restricted free agent Anthony Mantha.

There appears to be real progress on that front and it’s fair to say both sides are optimistic a deal won’t be too hard to get done. Mantha is a confident kid who is willing to place a bet on himself, with a two-year deal the likely solution there. At that term, it’s probably coming in under $4 million per season.

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Paul's avatar

Athanasiou contract talk too, it’s a process says his agent plus Holland talking to other teams about moving in the draft, up or down not determined at this point.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/30/18 at 04:43 PM ET

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Athanasiou contract talk too, it’s a process says his agent plus Holland talking to other teams about moving in the draft, up or down not determined at this point.

with a bunch of picks in lower 30s it would make plenty sense to move up and not a lot of sense to move down.

Posted by duhduhduh on 05/30/18 at 05:27 PM ET

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So AA is gone like so many predicted…?  I would think that is a mistake. His value will be more this season or next.. If you have to trade him.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 05/30/18 at 06:04 PM ET

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I try not to over do it when quoting The Athletic, but NHL.com did so here is more from them.

Detroit is looking for a defenseman or a center, The Athletic said. Some of the players who could be available in the 6-10 range, according to the NHL.com mock draft, are defensemen Adam Boqvist, Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson and Quintin Hughes, and centers Barrett Hayton and Jesperi Kotkaniemi.

The Red Wings also could use the No. 30 or 31 pick and one of their second-round picks (Nos. 33 and 36) in a trade to move up (if Vegas wins the Stanley Cup, it would be pick No. 31; if not, it would be pick No. 30).

“If somebody on your list starts to slide, then you start to work the phone,” Holland said. “We like a lot of players in that range, in that 30-35 range. We think there’s some pretty good players. Do you package two of those picks and try to move up? Possibly, if somebody high on our lists starts to slide and starts to fall.”

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/30/18 at 06:25 PM ET

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If he re-signs Green, nothing has changed or will with him at the helm. Not when you have Hicketts who has shown he is ready and Hronek who should get a shot this fall.

Also, looking at players, I’d vote for Kotkaniemi over Hayton. Also read that he won’t move out of the top 10 if he trades the No. 6. They are more likely to trade their 30/31 and 33 to move up into the late teens in the first round.

Posted by SwedeLundin83 on 05/30/18 at 10:12 PM ET

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There was a dinner with the Newport group, who represent Mike Green, a potential unrestricted free agent the Red Wings are interested in bringing back.

Because you can’t trust kids with a rebuild, right?

Can’t wait for the rebuild to actually start in two years.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/31/18 at 06:41 AM ET

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Regarding Green, I really don’t mind him coming back one bit - this team needs SOME stability on D.  If Kronwall retires once his contract is up next year it would be nice to have Green around for another couple seasons. 

Considering how Green wanted to stay in Detroit and continue losing for the last couple months of the season, instead of going to a contender…maybe we can sign him for cheap?

Posted by TreKronor on 05/31/18 at 08:37 AM ET

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Considering how Green wanted to stay in Detroit and continue losing for the last couple months of the season, instead of going to a contender
Posted by TreKronor on 05/31/18 at 09:37 AM ET

Was it really that he asked to stay, or was it more that he was untradeable due his fitness. I suspect it was the latter. I don’t think it matters if he gets another contract, it’s not like it’d make much of a difference either way. Green staying may just make things a little less dull on the ice.

Posted by Tripwire32 from Kay He Mar Heart on 05/31/18 at 09:00 AM ET

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Anything more than 1 year at $4.5m is too much as far as i’m concerned for Green regardless of his health. Unless teams are convinced he’s not 100% I think someone offers him 2-3 years at that money or higher and Detroit should let him walk. Have a bad feeling KH gives him 3 @ $5m per with NMC/NTC just because that’s what we’ve come to expect.

Posted by MZ2215 on 05/31/18 at 09:35 AM ET

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Regarding Green, I really don’t mind him coming back one bit - this team needs SOME stability on D.

Re-signing Green is a blatant admission that Holland has no interest in a rebuild, because you can’t rebuild when you’re actively blocking the path of several prospects.

The only thing to look forward to right now is that in two years, with four straight playoff misses, even a moron like Chris Illitch won’t be able to justify re-signing Holland again.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/31/18 at 09:47 AM ET

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I’m okay with Green coming back, but only IF we move another defenseman aside from Ouellet who is already on the block AND it is a one-year deal. After a neck injury like Green’s, I want him to show me he can actually play before I make any kind of commitment.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 05/31/18 at 10:44 AM ET

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You need green.  Hard to develop kids, especially hard to develop their offense, when your D cant them the puck.

Green was our only D to consistently point up. 

We don’t have Pav.. or any Fs really, that consistently takeaway the puck either.  Need Green.

Posted by ThatGuy on 05/31/18 at 10:45 AM ET

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There’s is no upside to resigning green. They need to move on. I’d be fine with Hronek, hicketts, ddk Daley, E, Kronwall and Jensen.
No booth, witkowski or ouelett

Posted by teldar on 05/31/18 at 10:51 AM ET

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Posted by ThatGuy on 05/31/18 at 11:45 AM ET

Need to get a look at the kids and see which one is the next Mike Green. They’re not getting him on a 1 year deal unless he’s still hurt, and in that case he shouldn’t be brought back at all. Move on.

Posted by MZ2215 on 05/31/18 at 11:03 AM ET

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Re-signing Green is a blatant admission that Holland has no interest in a rebuild, because you can’t rebuild when you’re actively blocking the path of several prospects.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/31/18 at 10:47 AM ET

Coming from a guy who doesn’t think much of Green, resigning him doesn’t mean jack in regard to the rebuild.  Matter of fact, its another chip to trade down the road, assuming the deal is short and dollars are tight.

All NHL teams need to carry 7 Dman, starting 6 Dman on any NHL squad do not play 82 games.

Oulette is all but gone, the organization has given up on him.
Kronwall retires next year.
Dailey and Ericson deals are done the year after, and assuming we suck again for a bit (good assumption) both are trade bait next year, Dailey maybe this year, if a rookie really steps up.

So what your setting up is a situation that when all is healthy Hicketts competes with Jenson, this year, or just plays with injury. Hicketts IMO is not a sure thing, I had more confidence in X. Hronek differenet story, but he’s a year away. 

Either way on both, slowly bleeding a kid into the NHL, especially on Defense is not a bad thing, we’re not talking about Dahlin or a top 10 pick here.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 05/31/18 at 11:03 AM ET

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No booth, witkowski or ouelett

Posted by teldar on 05/31/18 at 11:51 AM ET

You do realize we carry more players than we dress nightly, someone has to sit?

I never understood why everyone is so concerned about our 7th dman and 14th forward, who cares, guys like Booth and Wit sit 50% of the time, and are vets enough that it doesn’t matter to their game, nor long term in their careers. You don’t want to bring a kid up to bench him 50% of the time.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 05/31/18 at 11:07 AM ET

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You don’t want to bring a kid up to bench him 50% of the time.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 05/31/18 at 12:07 PM ET

Should have prefaced that as a kid with elite potential. Projected top 6 Fs or top 3 Ds should only come up when they are going to play.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 05/31/18 at 11:10 AM ET

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Hard to develop kids, especially hard to develop their offense, when your D cant them the puck.

So trade Hicketts, Hronek, Cholowski and all the rest of the D since apparently we already know they won’t be able to move the puck?

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/31/18 at 11:22 AM ET

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Custance reports that the Red Wings are considering moving down from the #6 spot and/or packaging their other 1st round pick and early 2nd round pick to end up with 2 middle-of-the-draft first-round picks.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/31/18 at 11:52 AM ET

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ustance reports that the Red Wings are considering moving down from the #6 spot and/or packaging their other 1st round pick and early 2nd round pick to end up with 2 middle-of-the-draft first-round picks.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/31/18 at 12:52 PM ET

That tells me DET is not enamored/impressed with anyone at #6 compared to the value a little later..

I would prefer they were trading the 1st as part of a deal for an established d-man but… that maybe isn’t there to be done.

But if DET’s group thinks the guys at #10 or on down to say #15 are just as good as #6… it’s a risk you maybe take.

Posted by Primis on 05/31/18 at 12:20 PM ET

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Custance reports that the Red Wings are considering moving down from the #6 spot and/or packaging their other 1st round pick and early 2nd round pick to end up with 2 middle-of-the-draft first-round picks.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/31/18 at 12:52 PM ET

Great move, maybe that way they can get another Hronek/Hicketts/Cholowski/etc that will get blocked by a Mike Green type and get written off as “not elite” without even getting a crack at a spot.

 

 

Posted by MZ2215 on 05/31/18 at 12:21 PM ET

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That tells me DET is not enamored/impressed with anyone at #6 compared to the value a little later..

I am not sure I like moving down. Boucher, Dobson, Hughes, Boquist. My understanding all 4 have a very high ceiling. I think at least 3 of them will be available at #6 and probably all 4 will be gone by pick #12 or so. I think it’s time to draft players with the highest ceiling even if they come with the higher risk.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/31/18 at 12:32 PM ET

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It’s going to be at best, three or four years before this team is competitive again.  At this point, when you’re in full on rebuilding mode, only someone as short sighted as Ken Holland could perceive any value in resigning Green.  Then again, if I was representing Green and knowing how easily Holland doles out outrageously stupid contracts, I’d be buying him dinner every night.

Posted by WingDingy on 05/31/18 at 12:48 PM ET

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hat tells me DET is not enamored/impressed with anyone at #6 compared to the value a little later..

I would prefer they were trading the 1st as part of a deal for an established d-man but… that maybe isn’t there to be done.

But if DET’s group thinks the guys at #10 or on down to say #15 are just as good as #6… it’s a risk you maybe take.

Posted by Primis on 05/31/18 at 01:20 PM ET

The above Custance quote is missing a key detail:

Ken Holland said he isn’t trading out of the top 10.

What is going on here is that Kenny sees an opportunity where the #6-10ish players drafted all are very close in terms of their projections, and we like a lot of players in that range right now. The idea being that if Kenny doesn’t get his guy (for sake of my own desires, we’ll say Bouchard) he would trade down the top ten to gather more assets since hew views most of the players in that range to be interchangeable. Options include going for the Islanders’ back to back picks at 10 & 11, or a Rangers trade for 8 or 9 & their later (higher) pick.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 06/01/18 at 07:45 AM ET

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Posted by Colin from Ken Holland’s new yacht, “Incompetence” on 06/01/18 at 08:45 AM ET

Sound strategy if that is what is happening, more chances to score the more times you get up to bat in the 1st round.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 06/01/18 at 12:26 PM ET

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