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Ken Holland Joins The 2020 Hockey Hall Of Fame Induction Class

TORONTO (June 24, 2020) – Lanny McDonald, Chairman of the Hockey Hall of Fame announced today that individuals have been elected to Hockey Hall of Fame Honoured Membership, in both the Player and Builder Category.  The vote took place today at the annual meeting of the Selection Committee in Toronto and remotely in North America and Europe.

“The Hockey Hall of Fame is proud to welcome these hockey legends as Honoured Members,” said Lanny McDonald.  “Their contributions to the game of hockey are well documented and their election to the Hockey Hall of Fame is richly deserved.”

In the Builder Category, one individual was elected.

Ken Holland began post playing career as a scout with the Detroit Red Wings in 1985. From there he moved up to the post of Assistant General Manager of the Red, while also acting as GM of their American Hockey League affiliate. Named the Detroit Red Wings’ GM in 1997 he then spent 22 seasons in that post winning three Stanley Cup Championships.  During his tenure in Detroit his team won more combined regular season and playoff games (1,044) than any other NHL franchise.

“I am incredibly humbled by this honour,” said Holland.  “I am in this game because I loved it as a young man and I am happy to have been able to stay in the game.”

In the Player Category, five individuals were elected.

Slovak native, Marian Hossa, was the Ottawa Senators’ first round selection in the 1997 NHL Entry Draft.  After seven seasons in Ottawa, he then had stints with three other NHL teams before playing his final eight seasons with the Chicago Blackhawks.  With the Blackhawks, Hossa won Stanley Cups in 2010, 2013 and 2015.  Overall, in 1309 NHL regular season games, he recorded 525 goals and 609 assists.

“This honour means so much to me,” said Hossa.  “I would like to thank everyone who voted for me.  I have learned so much about life through the game of hockey and am very appreciative of this recognition.”

Jarome Iginla played over 15 seasons with the Calgary Flames from 1996 – 2013 and led the team in scoring during 11 of those seasons.  A three-time NHL First All-Star Team member, the Edmonton (AB) native recorded 1300 points in 1554 NHL regular season games (on four NHL teams).     He also was a member of Team Canada at three Olympic Games, winning gold medals in 2002 and 2010.

“This selection is hard to believe and makes me reflect and look back on my career,” said Iginla.  “I was always just trying to make the NHL and this recognition means a lot to me and my family.”

Drafted by the Edmonton Oilers in the first round in the 1979 Entry Draft, Kevin Lowe would go on to play 13 seasons with the Oilers, winning five Stanley Cup championships.  After being traded to the New York Rangers in 1992, Lowe played four more seasons adding a sixth Stanley Cup in 1994.

“I think I perhaps represent the next level of guys who helped to win championships,” said Lowe.  “I appreciate that my contributions to the teams I played on are being recognized in this way.”

A native of Chateauguay, Quebec, Kim St-Pierre played boys’ hockey until she was 18 years of age.  From there she played on the women’s team at McGill University and began her storied career in the CWHL and representing Canada on the international stage.  Backstopping the Canadian Women’s National team, St-Pierre won three Olympic gold medals and five World Women’s Championships Gold Medals.  While playing for Canada she posted a career 1.17 GAA and a 0.939 save percentage.

“Hockey has always been my passion and this is a very special honour,” said St-Pierre.  “When I was growing up it was only boys and when that changed my dream was able to come through.  I’m grateful and would like to thank all of my coaches and my family.”

Doug Wilson was the 7th overall selection by the Chicago Blackhawks in the 1977 Amateur Draft.  He would play 14 seasons with the Blackhawks, leading all team defencemen in scoring for 10 consecutive seasons.  Traded to the San Jose Sharks in 1991, he played his final two seasons with the team before later moving over into team management.  In 1024 NHL regular season games, Wilson recorded 237 goals and 590 assists.

“I’m not even a Hall of Famer in my own house, so joining this club means the world to me,” said Wilson.  “I would like to thank all of the people who have been so good to me in this game.”


The 2020 Hockey Hall of Fame Induction Celebration is tentatively scheduled on Monday, November 16th in Toronto (preceded by the traditional slate of “Induction Weekend” events beginning on Friday, November 13th, including the annual “Hockey Hall of Fame Game” hosted by the Toronto Maple Leafs).   Due to the continued fluidity of developments surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic (including the NHL’s Return to Play Plan, etc.), the Hall of Fame is not accepting ticket orders for the 2020 Induction events at this time.   Stay tuned for further announcements in the upcoming weeks which will be posted via HHOF.com and other HHOF social media platforms.  http://www.hhof.com
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About the Hockey Hall of Fame

The Hockey Hall of Fame (“HHOF”) was established in 1943 to honour and memorialize individuals who have brought special distinction to the game of hockey and those who made outstanding contributions to the development and advancement of hockey anywhere in the world, and to collect, research, preserve, exhibit and promote objects, images and other historical materials connected with the game at all levels. As a not-for-profit corporation and registered charity, HHOF owns and operates a museum and place of entertainment offering state-of-the-art exhibits, theatrical presentations and educational programming from its premises at Brookfield Place, Toronto, Canada.

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KH is a HHOF in the builder category.

The salary cap should change this category’s requirements. I can see KH being put on a pedestal for his pre-salary cap work—but HHOF worthy as the principle architect—that’s a stretch to me. Anyone that analyzes the contracts he has given out post-cap need only look at Abby’s and Nielsen’s to see why fans groan about him. I mean Abby’s got to be one of the worst 3 contracts in the league.

To me I’d rather see the 1989 Red Wings leading scouts go into for “building the Wings.”

btw: Jimmy Devellano was the general manager, Neil Smith the chief scout and Christer Rockstrom in charge of Europe.

Posted by d ca on 06/24/20 at 05:00 PM ET

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via Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News,

Holland was general manager of the Wings for the 1998, 2002 and 2008 Stanley Cups, and was assistant GM in 1997.

“Expert in team development and building a strong foundation for his teams, Ken Holland’s approach to management has proven successful through his long career with the Detroit Red Wings and his more recent work with the Edmonton Oilers, and as a result, he was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in the Builder category in 2020,” the Hall announced.

The Wings made the playoffs 25 consecutive years under Holland’s direction before finally missing in 2016-17.

Holland left the Wings organization in May 2019 after 34 years for Edmonton, and quickly resurrected the Oilers into a playoff team.

Holland joined the Wings as a Western Canada scout in 1985 and was quickly promoted to director of amateur scouting, and then to assistant GM and goaltending coach.

Hossa spent the 2008-09 season with the Wings — he was signed Holland — scoring 40 goals (71 points) in 74 games and helping lead the Wings to the Stanley Cup Finals, where they fell to the Pittsburgh Penguins in seven games.

One of the premier two-way forwards in the game, Hossa had 525 goals and 609 assists (1,134 points) in 1,309 games and won three Stanley Cups later in his career with Chicago. Hossa is 20th all-time with 12 playoff game-winning goals and 30th all-time with 149 playoff points.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/24/20 at 05:33 PM ET

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Cool. Congratulations.

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/24/20 at 06:58 PM ET

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[quoteAnyone that analyzes the contracts he has given out post-cap need only look at Abby’s and Nielsen’s to see why fans groan about him. I mean Abby’s got to be one of the worst 3 contracts in the league.]

A couple bad contracts at the end should negate an entire career?

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/24/20 at 07:05 PM ET

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Happy for Ken Holland. Congratulations. grin

Posted by bigfrog on 06/24/20 at 09:07 PM ET

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A couple bad contracts at the end should negate an entire career?

Exactly. No, they should not. To read these boards, it sometimes appears that the prevailing opinion is that Mr. Holland was incompetent, but not so much to prevent him from willfully destroying the team. Nobody said that here directly, but let the man have his day! Yes, there was decline and a major one at that, likely from trying too hard for too long to preserve the playoff streak. Mr. Holland was (is) as well-respected as an executive in the league as one could find, and one whose legacy easily overshadows a couple of signings that didn’t age well. Personally, having no Michigan ties and no compelling reasons at my age to continue to root for laundry, I appreciate the character and the culture of the franchise that Mr. Holland has played a vital role in sustaining.

Posted by Unhealthy Scratch on 06/24/20 at 10:57 PM ET

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A couple bad contracts at the end should negate an entire career

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/24/20 at 07:05 PM ET

Seriously? Not trolling?
A couple at the end? I just named the most egregious. I could start at four year for $16.4 in 1998 for Uwe Krupp.

“Here’s what happened,” Krupp says. “We’re in the office, and Kenny’s got the letter from [Dr.] Watkins saying I need to retire. And Kenny starts yelling, ‘What is this s—? What is this s—? You think on the basis of a two-sentence letter you’re gonna get out of here? You think we’re gonna pay you your contract?’

“My agent says, ‘Kenny, what do you mean? His contract is guaranteed. You have to pay it.’

“Kenny says, ‘We’ll send you to one doctor after another until we find someone who’ll operate.’ He is really upset. My agent goes, ‘Kenny, what’s the big deal? It’s a disability thing. It’s insured.’

“And Kenny goes, ‘There’s no insurance.’

“And my agent goes, ‘WHAT?’ “There was no insurance. Apparently, the Wings can choose which contracts they want to insure — it is tied to a total dollar amount — and for whatever reason, the Wings’ management would not elaborate, despite Krupp’s long medical history, the team did not think it prudent to cover his deal.

This was — and is — crucial to Krupp’s whole case. It meant the Red Wings, not some insurance company, were stuck with the $12.3 million they still owed him.

Unless they could find a loophole.

“That’s the whole thing right there,” says Bob Riley, a lawyer representing Krupp in the arbitration hearings. “The lack of insurance is the story.

The Wings paid an an undisclosed financial settlement in 2003.

In 2002, He gave CuJo a 3 year 24M deal. Only to option Hasek’s contract the following year creating a locker room rift so bad Hasek and Joseph wouldn’t acknowledge one another.
In 2003, he gave Ray Whitney a 3 year deal for 12.5M and proceed to buy out the last year of the deal following the lockout year.
In 2003, he gave Derian Hatcher a 5 year deal. Proceeded to buy out the last 3 years of the deal following the lockout. Probably didn’t help that he blew his defensive assignment in game 6 in OT.  Watch Hatcher blow game 6 in OT here
In 2010, it was Mike Modano.
In 2011, he gave Mike Commodore a 1M deal and pressured him to sign 10 minutes into free agency by putting a 15 minute time limit on the offer knowing Commodore and Babcock’s history.
In 2012, he gave Jordin Tootoo a 3 year deal at 5.7M and proceeded to buyout the last year.
In 2012, he gave Carlo Colaiacovo a 2 year deal (to a player with an injury history after blowing the pursuit of free agent Ryan Suter). Proceeded to buy out the last year of the deal.
In 2013, he gave Stephen Weiss a 5 year deal. Proceeded to buy out the last 3 years of the deal.
In 2015, he gave Brad Richards a year at 3M to replace Weiss’ offensive woes.

...and don’t even get me started on his waiver moves and trade moves the worst of which involved Kyle Quincey for Andrei Vasilevskiy.

....so yeah it was only those 2 contracts (psssh) at the end that were bad not the ones I just rattled off…

Posted by d ca on 06/24/20 at 11:22 PM ET

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I think Holland definitely deserves credit overall.
And I don’t mind him being honored this way.

Except the account of his career so intentionally
elides at least a couple of patterns of persistent, sustained errors
of judgment (even understanding it was likely at least in part
an ownership directive to do what was necessary to keep getting in
the playoffs).

Some of the trades he made to try and extend the latter
were even in that context such short-sighted gambles
and overpayments. The pro signings were almost all
entirely unproductive and/or bad contracts, usually both.
And the errors of commission and omission over several
drafts are pretty glaring. Drafting virtually no defensemen over
a number of years - or only very late if at all in a given year -
comes to mind.

Holland has bounced back nicely so far in a better situation in Edmonton
and I’m cheering for him to do well. But he caused a lot of damage his
last few years in Detroit and only very belatedly make an effort to assemble
some picks to help to begin recovering from that.

And I’m not trying to suggest Holland is personally to blame for
every mistake made within the organization during his tenure,
just as he doesn’t deserve personal credit for every good decision
made within the organization during his tenure.

Posted by lefty.30 on 06/24/20 at 11:46 PM ET

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or was the worst trade getting David Legwand and giving up Patrick Eaves (who became a 30 goal scorer a few years later) and Calle Jarnkrok (who consistently puts up about 15 goals a year)...

how about Erik Cole and his 11 game Wings career?

how about losing the right to pick Jakob Chychrun when Stamkos wouldn’t even return your phone call?

and who can forget Robert Lang vs the great years of Mike Green plus Tomas Fleischmann.

Giving up on Mike Knuble when he became around a 30 goal a year guy.

Afterall, he gave out a contract with a raise to the neighbor girl’s husband (true story) when that player came off a down statistical year for a bottom 6 forward.

...yeah that’s right I left out those ridiculous re-signings (besides Abby’s). Or the poor choices like signing Mule instead of Hossa.

uugggh…nothing boils my blood like the revisionist history that KH was this genius GM that was just smarter than the league and every fan that says otherwise is without base and can’t back up with any semblance of facts.

...but oh yeah give Holland the honor of the HHOF for not screwing up a team with a core of Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom, and then Dats, Z, and Lidstrom. Nah—I don’t think I can let the man have his day of fame.

Posted by d ca on 06/25/20 at 12:09 AM ET

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Posted by d ca on 06/24/20 at 11:22 PM ET

And three Stanley Cups. And two decades of being a contender.

Seriously, be less of a petty loser.

 

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/25/20 at 08:16 AM ET

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Posted by d ca on 06/25/20 at 12:09 AM ET

I think this is the definition of unhinged.

Posted by ilovehomers on 06/25/20 at 08:25 AM ET

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Seriously? Not trolling?.

Yes, you are certainly trolling. At least you’re a little self-aware though.

Keep it up, you’re not wasting your time.

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/25/20 at 08:29 AM ET

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Anyone that analyzes the contracts he has given out post-cap need only look at Abby’s and Nielsen’s to see why fans groan about him. I mean Abby’s got to be one of the worst 3 contracts in the league.

Weird that you brought up so many pre-cap contracts to help you prove your point that he gave out some terrible post-cap contracts.

Nothing troll-ish about that, eh?

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/25/20 at 08:30 AM ET

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how about Erik Cole and his 11 game Wings career?

You mean the Erik Cole who was traded to the Wings and suffered a career-ending injury three weeks later?

Yeah, please blame Ken Holland for that, you definitely-not-a-troll.

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/25/20 at 08:32 AM ET

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Congratulations to Ken Holland, who will go into the Hall of Fame as a member of the Detroit Red Wings

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 06/25/20 at 06:57 PM ET

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Posted by d ca on 06/24/20 at 11:22 PM ET

And that, folks, is how you use facts to make your case.

Seriously, be less of a petty loser.

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/25/20 at 08:16 AM ET

And that what you say when you have no credible response.

Posted by d ca on 06/25/20 at 12:09 AM ET

I think this is the definition of unhinged.

Posted by ilovehomers on 06/25/20 at 08:25 AM ET

Such depth of analysis. Such a biting contradiction of a poster’s facts. How could anyone not be swayed by a comment as scinillating as that, ILH?

Posted by d ca on 06/25/20 at 12:09 AM ET

I’ve had my disagreements with you, d_ca, but all I can say here is: “Well done, sir. Well done – twice.”

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/25/20 at 11:53 PM ET

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Weird that you brought up so many pre-cap contracts to help you prove your point that he gave out some terrible post-cap contracts.

Nothing troll-ish about that, eh?

Posted by BaromirBragr on 06/25/20 at 08:30 AM ET

me: KH is not Hall worthy just look at the mess he left in Detroit like Abbie and Neilsen’s contracts.
others: KH was good until the very end
me: no he wasn’t just look at all these contracts going back to ‘98

troll: you brought up pre-cap contracts

me: No $h!t Sherlock that was the point to prove it wasn’t just recent.
Do you want me to bring up the loyalty contracts like Helm or DeKeyser? How about how he tried to extend both Thomas Vanek and Brendan Smith before reaching an impasse and trading them. He always went with the free agent veteran signing instead of promoting the youngster—which went with his mantra of veterans being more valuable than young players or prospects.


me: Cole trade bad
troll: can’t blame a GM for an injury
me: Cole had an injury history going back to March 4, 2006 when he fractured 2 vertebrae in his back/neck and was moved previously because of those serious concerns. Cole was 36 at the time of the move to Detroit. KH traded for old brittle goods that broke in the same spot as previous—so yes you can blame the GM for taking the risk on a 36 year old that was previously damaged.

troll: KH won Detroit those Cups and was the reason why they were good for 2 decades.
me: No, no, no, no. Exactly the issue. KH getting credit for the work of others. The 1989 draft run by Jimmy Devellano with Neil Smith as the chief scout and Christer Rockstrom in charge of Europe set up the foundation for the first 2 cups. The 1998 draft’s 171st (Dats) & 1999 draft’s 210th pick (Z) & by Swedish guru Hakan Andersson was the reason for the ‘08 Cup. Illitch bought the ‘02 Cup.

Scouting director Neil Smith left the Red Wings to become GM of the Rangers and he took chief European scout Christer Rockstrom with him. You know the guy that was the reason why Detroit drafted Lidstrom in the 3rd round in 1989.  Incidentally, Rockstrom went to bat for Andersson to get his old job on his way out the door doing so much as personally introducing assistant GM Nick Polano to Andersson in Stockholm.

So there goes another of the KH rungs (Lidstrom—> Rockstrom’s pick, Dats & Z—> Andersson’s picks). btw Andersson’s other picks were Tomas Holmstrom, Valtteri Filppula, Jiri Hudler,Johan Franzen, Niklas Kronwall, Jonathan Ericsson, Gustav Nyquist, and Tomas Tatar. Andersson even had Alex Edler lined up in 2004 but he got lazy and made a phone call to Edler’s coach to make sure he’d be in the lineup so he wouldn’t have driven 6 hours for nothing. The coach faxed Vancouver’s scout about how the Wings were interested and Vancouver moved up ahead of the Wings in the 3rd round to take Edler so the Wings went with the next player on Andersson list: the Mule.

So, please stop with KH was this brilliant architect of the club. KH simply let his scouts do all the work. And those are some of the reasons I can’t support KH being Hall worthy without a big asterisk.

Posted by d ca on 06/26/20 at 12:10 AM ET

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Posted by d ca on 06/26/20 at 12:10 AM ET

So to paraphrase your argument….

you: anything good Holland did over 20 + years was done by someone else and/or was a result of the blank check win now desire of illitch.

you: anything bad Holland did over 20 + years was entirely on holland’s shoulders, nothing to do with someone else, and/or the don’t break the streak mandate desire of illitch.

n reality ...

Other NHL franchises: Here’s $25MM to be our GM Ken Holland

Our GM: Ken Holland = Best in business

The Stewards of the NHL: Ken Holland welcome to the HOF.

you: WHHHAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

me: LOL!!!!

Look the guy is gone, and will now go into the hall as a member of this franchise, tip the glass, and get over your butthurtness would ya?  As with any GM and even coach, there’s a lot of luck and timing involved, it helps to have the right situation players, the frankly luck. That is certainly true for our current GM who did not win a ring with the situation he walked into and made the finals only once, yet many think he’s a better GM than Holland.  I enjoyed watching my team winning Stanley cups myself.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 06/26/20 at 07:53 AM ET

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Id like to think anyone in Holland’s roles for so long would have quite a few mistakes along the way. When he inherited the team he did, he didnt f it up and built, in 2008 and 2009, one of the most dominant teams (possession wise) of all time.

Kenny had to deal with the loss of Vladdy just like the coaches and players did. Ken is a part of keeping the ship on track to repeat. Just one example, im sure itll be torn to shreds.

So while facts are indeed used, it gives no credit to Holland for anything, and is void of any context when the move did not go the way for the Wings, ala the erik cole trade that has been discussed.

Im not fighting for Holland to be considered the GOAT, but to at least be fair in assessing him.

Posted by ilovehomers on 06/26/20 at 09:09 AM ET

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What irony! The two posters that call D CA a troll are the two biggest trolls on this site! BB should not even be allowed on here the way he iteracts with everyone. He can tell Murray to eat a bag of pricks or say anything that is over the top but annoying posters like FatSavage get booted.

DCA made credible points. The core of those Cup teams was built by Jimmy D. And Holland gladly takes all the credit. I am not saying he does not deserve some credit and I am uncertain if he should be a Hall of famer (I actually could give two shots) but to stand and bask in the limelight knowing you took the reins of dynasty from another man is very weird.

In my opinion the reason he took the Edmonton job is because he is unfulfilled because he knows in heart he has not done it on his own.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 06/26/20 at 09:17 AM ET

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Trolling?  Please, if you want to point it out, let me know about it via email.

Problem with a KK member?  Please email me about it.

I try to read every comment but at times I don’t, so feel free to email me with any issue you may have.

Thanks and again, no need to call out another member unless you are challenging their hockey comment and there is a way to do just that without adding the word troll to it.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/26/20 at 09:21 AM ET

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So to paraphrase your argument….

you: anything good Holland did over 20 + years was done by someone else and/or was a result of the blank check win now desire of illitch.

No certainty not everything.

Holland made the trade to get Shanny (but it was at Bowman‘s nudging and using Coffee who was acquired by Bryan Murray and the teams highest draft pick in years—Keith Primeau if you want to be technical about credit ). Holland made the trade for Chelios (after losing Vlady and after Uwe Krupp went down). Holland made the trade for Larry Murphy. Holland made the trade for Brad Stuart. He also made trades to sure up depth for playoff runs.

I can’t really give him total credit for Hasek as that was Buffalo dumping contracts (Hasek was due a raise through a one year option but threatened retirement unless he was traded to a contender and Buffalo was looking to stay at a lesser salary level so they dumped him after their captain Peca). Biron showed he could become a starter so it really was a deal too good to pass up more than one KH should get credit for. In fact, KH did what eventually was so costly—he gave up a 1st round pick. And Illitch gets credit for the 24M over 3 years with the last two being player/team options he ponied up to get Hasek to agree to come.  But KH was the GM on a trade so yeah sure some small bit of credit there.

Those are important pieces that helped the Wings win and Holland deserves credit for those move. But the core was already in place—and that credit belongs elsewhere. Are those trades enough to get a GM elected to the HHOF? I didn’t get a vote and I wouldn’t have. My point is that give credit where it is due and KH got way too much of it here and didn’t like it when the fans started scrutinizing his tenure at the end. It even became a Hollandism like kicking tires, etc.

And KH gets blamed a bit too much for following the Illitch mandate of keeping the playoff streak alive rather than starting the rebuild sooner. But that falls in line with KH’s love of veterans, making prospects over-ripen, and devaluing 1st round picks at a time when analytics was starting to say otherwise. KH never proved he could build a winner from scratch.

If KH goes on to lead the Oilers to the cup because he acquired Green and AA than that certainly boost his HHOF credentials—but if those draft picks he gave up turn out to be long time NHL players it just adds to the legacy he left here. To me the comparison is another Illitch GM—one he fired—Dave Dombrowski—who went on to another team and gutted the prospects in order to chase/win a championship and the analytics people said were in serious trouble a few years from now—-well hockey has a cap so it gets compounded. That’s my argument.

Posted by d ca on 06/26/20 at 11:19 AM ET

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Posted by d ca on 06/26/20 at 11:19 AM ET

Boost his credentials??? To who d_ca on the basement keyboard?  Done deal, Hollands going to be on a plaque in the hall of fame as a member of the DRW, no more credentials needed my friend.  I think you and the Holland haters just need to get a hemorrhoid pillow and get over the butthurtness of it all, you may or may not agree with his decisions, but tip the cup to the accomplishment, he’s one of ours.

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 06/26/20 at 11:43 AM ET

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Holland made the trade for Shanny? I thought that was Jimmy D and Bowman?

Michael Peca, one of my favorites. Good two way player and what an open ice hitter!

Paul,
I thought you were at Jobbie Nooner today?

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 06/26/20 at 03:06 PM ET

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Only in my dreams dd.  Attended 2x and I do recommend for anyone interested in the boating party lifestyle, it is a must visit.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/26/20 at 03:08 PM ET

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