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GDT - Game #60:  Red Wings host Sharks (12:30)

With a win today, DET (40-17-2) will have recorded 23 consecutive home wins, the most ever in the NHL (22 consecutive wins held by the 1929-30 BOS Bruins and DET).  Winning against SJS (31-18-7) will be the icing on the record, as the Wings are their whipping boy.  The Sharks have won the last five regular season games against the Wings, and to add insult to injury, have eliminated DET in the second round of the playoffs the past two seasons.  This shit has got to stop, no time like the present.

LGRW.

Central Division Standings:

GP W L OTL PTS ROW
1 DET 59 40 17 2 82 33
2 STL 58 36 15 7 79 34
3 NSH 58 33 19 6 72 30
4 CHI 59 31 21 7 69 27
5 CBJ 58 17 35 6 40 14

Team Records:

DET:  59 GP,  40-17-2, 82 pts, (1 in Conf, 1 in Central), 187 GF, 137 GA, Last 10 7-2-1, WON 5

SJS:  56 GP,  31-18-7, 69 pts, (3 in Conf, 1 in Pacific), 165 GF, 139 GA, Last 10 5-4-1, LOST 1

Home/Away Record:

DET home:  25-2-1 (2nd)
SJS road:  13-9-5 (10th)

Stats (rank):

DET:  .695 point% (2), 3.05 G/G (5), 2.30 GA/G (5), 1.52 5-5 F/A (2), 17.7 PP% (14), 81.5 PK% (21), 32.8 S/G (4), 26.9 SA/G (3),  51.4 FO% (7).

SJS:  .616 point% (7), 2.84 G/G (9), 2.43 GA/G (8), 1.25 5-5 F/A (5), 21.0 PP% (3), 78.0 PK% (27), 34.8 S/G (1), 28.4 SA/G (6), 53.1% (2).

Goal Differential/Game:

DET = +0.75
SJS =  +0.41

Player Stats:
DET Skaters:
GP,  G, A, PTS,  +/-,  ATOI
C Pavel Datsyuk 58 16 43 59 19 19:22 #3 in Assists
C Johan Franzen 59 23 24 47 27 17:40 #2 in +/-
L Henrik Zetterberg 59 12 33 45 7 19:33
C Valtteri Filppula 58 16 28 44 14 17:40
C Jiri Hudler 58 18 17 35 5 15:06
D Nicklas Lidstrom 58 10 21 31 27 23:57 #2 in +/-
R Todd Bertuzzi 52 12 17 29 22 15:41
D Ian White 55 6 22 28 29 23:30 #1 in +/-
R Danny Cleary 55 11 16 27 12 16:12
D Niklas Kronwall 59 12 12 24 -1 22:28
L Drew Miller 57 11 9 20 9 12:24
L Tomas Holmstrom 51 8 10 18 -5 11:51
C Darren Helm 55 5 13 18 3 14:18
L Justin Abdelkader 59 6 10 16 3 11:57
D Brad Stuart 58 5 9 14 15 20:48
D Jakub Kindl 45 1 9 10 4 13:48
D Jonathan Ericsson 59 1 8 9 14 16:51
C Cory Emmerton 48 6 3 9 3 7:55
R Chris Conner 7 1 2 3 2 10:52
D Mike Commodore 17 0 2 2 3 11:29
L Jan Mursak 7 0 2 2 2 7:27
D Brendan Smith 3 0 2 2 -1 14:54
R Patrick Eaves 10 0 1 1 0 11:02
L Fabian Brunnstrom 5 0 1 1 -2 9:03
C Gustav Nyquist 5 0 1 1 1 7:53
C Joakim Andersson 4 0 0 0 1 6:45

DET Goalies:
Player GPI W L OT GAA PCT
Ty Conklin 11, 3-5-0,  3.40,  0.878
Jimmy Howard 44,  32-11-1, 2.03,  0.924 #1 in Wins,  #3 in Shutouts, #5 in GAA
Joey MacDonald 7,  5-1-1,  1.61,  0.933

SJS Skaters:
GP,  G, A, PTS,  +/-,  ATOI
C Joe Thornton 56 12 39 51 13 20:40
C Logan Couture 56 24 24 48 8 18:34
C Patrick Marleau 56 22 23 45 8 20:37
C Joe Pavelski 56 22 22 44 15 20:52
D Dan Boyle 55 6 28 34 13 3 25:41
L Ryane Clowe 50 10 24 34 1 17:57
D Brent Burns 55 9 18 27 9 22:21
L Jamie McGinn 56 12 11 23 7 12:16
C Michal Handzus 55 7 15 22 -2 14:48
C Dominic Moore 57 4 16 20 -10 16:14
D Marc-Edouard Vlasic 56 4 15 19 18 23:24
R Martin Havlat 26 2 13 15 8 17:41
C Torrey Mitchell 52 5 9 14 0 12:34
C Andrew Desjardins 53 3 9 12 4 9:13
D Jason Demers 35 2 9 11 -7 16:52
L Brad Winchester 55 6 4 10 -1 7:56
R Benn Ferriero 27 7 1 8 3 12:50
D Justin Braun 42 2 6 8 -2 16:52
D Douglas Murray 45 0 4 4 7 18:31
C Andrew Murray 39 1 3 4 3 7:42
C Tommy Wingels 12 2 2 4 0 12:55
D Colin White 37 1 2 3 -4 15:00
D Jim Vandermeer 16 0 3 3 2 12:33
L Tim Kennedy 27 1 1 2 -11 11:08
L John McCarthy 10 0 0 0 -2 9:26
L Frazer McLaren 7 0 0 0 0 4:52

SJS Goalies:
Player GPI W L OT GAA PCT
Thomas Greiss 14,  8-5-1,  2.13,  0.923
Antti Niemi 43,  23-13-6,  2.42,  0.914

TSN - HOT and NOT:

DET: Hot:
Nicklas Lidstrom (D) 3 pts in last 3 GP
Ian White (D) 2 pts in last 3 GP
Brad Stuart (D) 5 pts in last 7 GP
Henrik Zetterberg (C/LW) 5 pts in last 3 GP
Pavel Datsyuk (C/LW) 3 pts in last 2 GP
Johan Franzen (LW/RW) 3 pts in last 3 GP
Joey MacDonald (G) 2-0-0, 1.00, .952 in last 2 GPI

DET: Not Hot:
Tomas Holmstrom (RW/LW) 0 pts in last 12 GP
Jiri Hudler (RW/LW) 1 pts in last 7 GP
Valtteri Filppula (LW/C) 2 pts in last 6 GP
Todd Bertuzzi (RW/LW) 2 pts in last 6 GP

SJS: Hot:
Dan Boyle (D) 3 pts in last 2 GP
Brent Burns (D) 10 pts in last 8 GP
Marc-Edouard Vlasic (D) 2 pts in last 3 GP
Joe Thornton (C) 13 pts in last 9 GP
Logan Couture (C/LW) 16 pts in last 12 GP
Tommy Wingels (W/C) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Jamie McGinn (LW/RW) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Torrey Mitchell (W/C) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Dominic Moore (C/LW) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Patrick Marleau (W/C) 9 pts in last 9 GP
Ryane Clowe (LW/RW) 8 pts in last 8 GP
Thomas Greiss (G) 4-1-1, 1.82, .929 in last 6 GPI

SJS: Not Hot:
Michal Handzus (C) 1 pts in last 5 GP
Antti Niemi (G) 0-1-1, 3.87, .846 in last 2 GPI

Injury Report:

DET:
Dan Cleary (RW/LW) Knee injury (Day to day)
Patrick Eaves (RW) Jaw injury (Injured reserve)
Jimmy Howard (G) Finger injury (Day to day)

SJS:
Martin Havlat (RW) Lower body injury (Injured reserve)
Douglas Murray (D) Throat (Day to day)
Jason Demers (D) Charley horse (Injured reserve)
James Sheppard (LW/C) Left knee surgery (Injured reserve)

Jeff Sagarin NHL Ratings, USAToday

SATURDAY FEBRUARY 18

HOME ADVANTAGE=  0.56 RATING   W   L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 16

1 Detroit Red Wings     =  4.88   40 19   4.00(  12)  11   6 |  19 12
7 San Jose Sharks       =  4.32   31 25   3.97(  25)  7   8 |  14 14
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JMac in net again, he’s hot says Babcock:

“MacDonald is playing too good. I’m going to give Howard two more days,’’ Babcock said. “The other guy (MacDonald) is playing great. It gives (Howard) two more days to practice. Why would I rush it when the other guy’s playing good?’‘

Datsyuk has a sore throat but Babcock said he will play Sunday.

Danny Cleary (sore knee) practiced again today and said he is aiming to return on Tuesday.

 

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RWBill's avatar

Here’s a shout out to all you Bitches on the west coast, South Pacific, and elsewhere, who have to get up early Sunday morning to watch the game.
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Bloody Mary is the girl I love.
Bloody Mary is the girl I love.
Bloody Mary is the girl I love.
Now ain’t that too damn bad!

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 12:29 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

In the race for the Central Division:

1   DET   59   40   17   2   82   33  
2   STL   58   36   15   7   79   34  
3   NSH   58   33   19   6   72   30  
4   CHI   59   31   21   7   69   27  

DET:  23 games remaining,  13 home, 10 away
STL:  24 games remaining,  8 home, 16 away (road record = 10-12-3)
NSH:  24 games remaining, 12 home, 12 away (road record = 15-12-2)
CHI:  23 games remaining, 12 home, 11 away (road record = 12-15-3)

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/19/12 at 12:35 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Wings have been getting some puck luck.  Joey Mac has been good, also been lucky.  We coulda shoulda been giving up a few more goals than we have. This will correct itself, the Wings will lose some games, and then panic will set in.  A couple of folks will say some amazingly stupid things of a critical nature that are totally unfounded.  We know who they are and they can’t help themselves, we read the first one and then opt just to skip over their next posts.
Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/18/12 at 10:53 AM ET

That goes double if it is the Sharks that is the game where bounces end up in our net that have been missing. 

“This shows that the Wings can’t get over the hump and the Sharks are still the team to beat.  Holland hasn’t done a thing since the playoffs to improve the team and this season is a waste.  He needs to do something big by the trade deadline.  bob loblaw.”

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 12:37 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Ken Daniels, and Darren Pang on the call today for NBC, for you bitches outside SE Michigan.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/19/12 at 12:40 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Will be interesting to see how that turns out.  Detroit 3 point lead, StL 1 game in hand.  Twice as many away as home games is very unusual.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 12:40 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

I’ve got a suspicion that the local station will show the Pittsburgh game.  NHL Center Ice didn’t show other noon games.  May have to resort to streaming freetv.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 12:42 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Todd McLellan not saying who will start in net:

Coach Todd McLellan voiced his displeasure after Niemi’s latest start, a 6-5 overtime loss Thursday to the Tampa Bay Lightning. And when backup Thomas Greiss performed more credibly the following night in a 3-2 loss, McLellan hedged on who would face Detroit. . . .

Over each of their past five games—and for Greiss, that goes all the way back to Jan. 14—the backup has the better stats. While Greiss has an impressive 1.99 goals average and .924 save percentage. Niemi’s are a weak 3.90 and .868.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/19/12 at 12:44 PM ET

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Ok….here is how I see it…..I would love to be optimist, but I honestly do no think we will win today. The sharks have our number…it makes me sick just to think of it…but if I am wrong…and I pray that I will be….then a victory VS the shark in my book= Conference finals. If we can beat them, we can beat anybody.


If they win today…..God has decided….to side with us….the best team around smile

Posted by Nathalie from Montreal on 02/19/12 at 12:44 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

@RW - this map shows which game you get on NBC.

Sharks injuries: RW Marty Havlat (hamstring), D Jason Demers (lower body) and D Murray (throat) are out.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/19/12 at 12:47 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Sidecar.
Posted by monkey from here to Timbuktu on 02/18/12 at 04:01 PM ET

What is this colored picture stuff?

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 12:51 PM ET

monkey's avatar

What is this colored picture stuff?

Technicolor, bitch.  It’s the latest!  It’s the greatest!

@RW - this map shows which game you get on NBC.

Looks like we’re good Bill, unless you’re farther to the north than I thought.  You supposed to get any of this snow?

Posted by monkey from Finland on 02/19/12 at 12:56 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Thanks Jeff, that is good info, hope it holds up.  Interesting the switch between northern Virginia carrying Pittsburgh and central and western Virginia carrying the Wings.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 12:58 PM ET

monkey's avatar

Thanks Jeff, that is good info, hope it holds up.  Interesting the switch between northern Virginia carrying Pittsburgh and central and western Virginia carrying the Wings.

Most of West Virginia gets the Wings v Sharks as well.  I thought WV was Penguins country.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 02/19/12 at 01:02 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Monkey we were supposed to get 1-3” here, they started hedging on that and delaying the snow start time.  It may stay too warm for us to get much, even so, with the ground at 50 degrees from the warm winter not much will stick. 

You and north to Harrisonburg always get more on the I-81 corridor than we do here. Is it snowing there?

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:05 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

This projects you could be on the edge of the 6 - 12” block.  Looks like that goes from Roanoke to Bristol, possibly just to Marion.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:08 PM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

I’ve got a suspicion that the local station will show the Pittsburgh game.  NHL Center Ice didn’t show other noon games.  May have to resort to streaming freetv.

Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/19/12 at 09:42 AM ET

Bill, I saw on Twitter that nbcsports.com is offering a live stream of the Red Wings game.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 02/19/12 at 01:11 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

The sharks have our number…it makes me sick just to think of it
Posted by Nathalie from Montreal on 02/19/12 at 09:44 AM ET

If they beat us because we just cannot match up, well that’s one thing.  If they beat us because they have our number, that changes and things even out.  There are people who will just go apeshit and draw the wrong conclusions if a slapshot hits a shin and deflects past our goalie for a game winner. By God, then it will be a case of we haven’t done anything to make the team better and the Sharks are ten feet tall.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:14 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Ken Kal, Gameday Video with The Lizard King.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/19/12 at 01:14 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Bill, I saw on Twitter that nbcsports.com is offering a live stream of the Red Wings game.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Michigan, but now in Florida on 02/19/12 at 10:11 AM ET

Thanks for the info, looks like we’ll have options.  Sometimes the local Richmond station has carried the northern Virginia game instead of what was listed.

I know where to come for all the best information!

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:18 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Bill, I saw on Twitter that nbcsports.com is offering a live stream of the Red Wings game.
Posted by MsRedWinger from Michigan, but now in Florida on 02/19/12 at 10:11 AM ET

I wonder if it will be in Technicolor?

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:18 PM ET

monkey's avatar

You and north to Harrisonburg always get more on the I-81 corridor than we do here. Is it snowing there?

Something akin to sleet started at about 8, changed to snow at 9, large flakes at 10.  As you said, ground is still too warm for anything to stick, but temperature is dropping as the front moves in.

Based on the forecast, by tomorrow morning we will have 2-4 inches piled on top of a sheet of ice.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 02/19/12 at 01:21 PM ET

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Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/19/12 at 10:08 AM ET

Still absolutely no snow here other than in the shadows.  Absolutely surreal winter time here.  I feel like I"m back in New Mexico aside from the 0 degree stuff all the time.

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/19/12 at 01:21 PM ET

42jeff's avatar

Will be missing the LB AND the game today ... going out on a missing person search for CAP.  I may be low enough to catch tidbits on my droid so shhhhh…don’t tell the FAA or the FCC I’ll have it on in the plane…

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/19/12 at 01:22 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Ken Kal, Gameday Video with The Lizard King.
Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/19/12 at 10:14 AMET

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:22 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

going out on a missing person search for CAP.  I may be low enough to catch tidbits on my droid so shhhhh…don’t tell the FAA or the FCC I’ll have it on in the plane…
Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 02/19/12 at 10:22 AM ET

Well damn, good luck with both!  “missing person” is just the worst on a family.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:25 PM ET

42jeff's avatar

missing person” is just the worst on a family.

Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/19/12 at 10:25 AM ET

It is.  I had the opportunity to meet the family of a fella we searched for a couple years ago.  Unfortunately we were too late finding this guy but we did finally find him…his family was a mess of course and they actually had the sheriff in their house listening on State Radio when we were directing the deputy to the location.  As stressful as the not knowing was, they said the relief they felt at finally finding him was

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/19/12 at 01:36 PM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

There are people who will just go apeshit and draw the wrong conclusions if a slapshot hits a shin and deflects past our goalie for a game winner. By God, then it will be a case of we haven’t done anything to make the team better and the Sharks are ten feet tall.

Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/19/12 at 10:14 AM ET

Bill, you’re so right. 

Like every other Wings fan, I really, really, REALLY want the Wings to win today and end this ridiculous curse of the Snarks.  But I am nervous about today.  National TV and all.  But I actually have a good feeling.  The Wings are rolling, and playing with confidence - almost swagger - of late.  And I applaud Babcock for going with the hot goalie.  I think the Wings will prevail.

Lastly, bob loblaw is a well-known troll on this site and others, and I refuse to waste time reading his ridiculous garbage.  He loves to get Wings fans riled up, so let’s just all agree to ignore him, OK?

LET’S GO RED WINGS !!!!!

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 02/19/12 at 01:40 PM ET

monkey's avatar

Based on the forecast, by tomorrow morning we will have 2-4 inches piled on top of a sheet of ice.

Having grown up in Michigan I have no problem with this.

Unfortunately most people around here are freaking out and will not know how to handle this on the roads.

I am looking forward to staying in until everything melts tomorrow.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 02/19/12 at 01:40 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 02/19/12 at 10:36 AM ET

good luck.  CAP and SAR guys and gals never get enough recognition.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:42 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 02/19/12 at 10:22 AM ET

Good luck, Jeff.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/19/12 at 01:43 PM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

Jeff, be safe and good luck.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 02/19/12 at 01:46 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

The Sharks have won the last five regular season games against the Wings,

Time to reverse the trend. Law of averages, Blah, blah, blah. I dunno, with the soft Euros and all(sarcasm).
I DO expect a solid, convincing WIN from the non-fighting Wings.

Thanks OAkie.

Bitches.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 02/19/12 at 01:51 PM ET

42jeff's avatar

Will do guys.  Have a good one.

My chariot for the day :  http://flightaware.com/photos/aircraft/N830CP

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/19/12 at 01:51 PM ET

Red Winger's avatar

Damn, I have playoff nerves for this game.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 02/19/12 at 01:52 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Jeff,
Geezo, I was expecting something bigger.  No wonder you’ll be low to the ground.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:55 PM ET

monkey's avatar

Damn, I have playoff nerves for this game.

Good luck, bitch.  Stay safe.

Damn, I have playoff nerves for this game.

I know, it’s ridiculous.  My personal obsession is that having JMac play today is one game too many for him and he’ll get shelled.  All sorts of sky is falling doom and gloom stuff going on upstairs right now.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 02/19/12 at 01:56 PM ET

42jeff's avatar

Geezo, I was expecting something bigger.  No wonder you’ll be low to the ground.

Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/19/12 at 10:55 AM ET

That’s what she said…ZING!  oh wait…that was to me…

Actually Bill, we do all of our visual searches from 1000ft AGL ( above ground level)  and 100ish kt ground speed, but we’re authorized to dip down to 500 ft if there’s something we want/need to get a better look at but can’t loiter due to FAA restrictions and such.

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/19/12 at 01:58 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

My personal obsession is that having JMac play today is one game too many for him and he’ll get shelled.  All sorts of sky is falling doom and gloom stuff going on upstairs right now.

Posted by monkey from here to Timbuktu on 02/19/12 at 10:56 AM ET

That is what I was alluding to.  He’s had shots go off the post, shots off his head.  He’s cleared the puck right to the other team while out of the net and they somehow missed.  The puck has hit him when he hasn’t seen it.

It’s like craps, the streak will turn the other way, it is inevitable.  I hope it is not today.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 01:59 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

500 feet,  jeepers.  watch out for broadcast towers, mofo.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/19/12 at 02:01 PM ET

monkey's avatar

  Damn, I have playoff nerves for this game.

Good luck, bitch.  Stay safe.

Haha, obviously I do have playoff nerves.  That first one was supposed to be a quote of

My chariot for the day :  http://flightaware.com/photos/aircraft/N830CP

Posted by monkey from Finland on 02/19/12 at 02:01 PM ET

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