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Freep Expert Claims Wings Can’t Attract Free Agents Because…Hudler Left

I don’t know who Jeff Seidel is, but a really quick glance at the Free Press archives shows me he’s never written a thing about the Red Wings.

Until today.

New Wing Expert At The Freep

There was a time when future Hall of Famers tripped over themselves to play in Hockeytown. Players like Suter and Parise sprinted to Detroit.

But now, it’s just bad news after bad news.

First, the Red Wings lost in the first round of the playoffs. Then, Nicklas Lidstrom retired. Then Brad Stuart left, followed by Jiri Hudler.

 

Genius. Lidstrom’s retirement, Stuart’s departure and Hudler’s (second) departure had nothing to do with Detroit’s ability to lure free agents and everything to do with (a) family, (b) family and (c) idiocy and greed.

As for Parise and Suter, are we to assume that because they chose Minnesota over us, and Pittsburgh, Chicago, New York, their previous teams…that none of them are able to lure free agents anymore either?  Or did their decision have more to do with (a) and (b) above?

After Parise, what are the two forwards who will be most sought after in this class of UFAs?  Semin and Doan. We already know Semin is chomping at the bit to play with Datsyuk. Money will be an issue, not Detroit’s attraction to UFAs.  As for Doan, well Jeff did you see this from Khan(!!!)?

Shane Doan, Phoenix – The power forward’s agent has called the Red Wings several times the past couple of days, seeking an offer, and with Parise off the market, Detroit will make a pitch for Doan. However, Doan has stated he won’t decide until Monday if he will leave Phoenix, where he has played since 1996. His main concern is whether the team will relocate in 2013-14 due to the unstable ownership situation. Ultimately, many expect he will stay in Phoenix.

Oh, and who’s on Rick Nash’s short list, Jeff?  Have you looked into that?  How about Bobby Ryan? If he has a list at all you’d better believe the Wings are there too.

Talk to me on 1 August.  If the Wings haven’t accomplished anything, we can revisit this stupid angle…and the guy who picked this, of all times, to pile on the Wings.

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after a full day to digest, i am beyond pumped that Detroit didn’t spend almost $200M on two players who aren’t in the top 5 at their own position in the league.

this guy’s writing is terrible. he starts a sentence with “anyhow.”

i’ve also been thinking more about what we already have: Nik Kronwall. we all acknowledge that he’d probably be the #1 or #2 D on any other team in the league. on our team, he was #3. i believe that he can handle the pressure of being the #1 guy and he certainly has the talent, skill, and will. maybe all we really need is a great #2 or #3 defenseman. Suter would have been that, but not for $7.5M a season for 13 years.

Posted by Alex from San Francisco on 07/04/12 at 11:06 PM ET

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Yet another fair-weather phony of a writer.  How the hell do the Freep find ‘tards like these???

Man, I’ve never wanted so badly for the Wings to win the Cup now.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/04/12 at 11:11 PM ET

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LOL, Let’s all mope because they tell us to!

Doubts are starting to creep in whether Semin is really the locker room cancer that everyone says he is. For starters, were talking about the Capitals organization which has utilized a “shoot from the hip” strategy for most of their undertakings/organizational structuring.

Also, when Marc Crawford is crowing about Semin and Pierre Mcguire buying in as the good sycophant, what kind of legitimacy does that lend the rumors?

Posted by Varyag on 07/04/12 at 11:11 PM ET

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I want Doan. Even though our first priority is on defense, if we can get this guy, we shouldn’t pass up the chance. Would much rather have him than Semin. Maybe with him in the fold, we could make a run at Yandle

Lets go Wings

Posted by yzer19man from Chicago, IL on 07/04/12 at 11:41 PM ET

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Maybe all the other big name free agents will follow Hudler…..to Calgary…..and the Greatest on Ice Show on Earth.

Posted by Scooter Kelly from Medicine Hat on 07/04/12 at 11:45 PM ET

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Hell the fans were ready to pay Hudlers salary if he`d leave!

Posted by Kim on 07/04/12 at 11:49 PM ET

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Maybe all the other big name free agents will follow Hudler…..to Calgary…..and the Greatest on Ice Show on Earth.

After all the crap of the last few days I needed a good laugh like this.

Posted by calquake on 07/04/12 at 11:49 PM ET

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There goes Matt Carle.  We need Yandle largely because there are not other options left.  Wonder what Carle’s signing just did to Phoenix’s asking price…

Posted by John from Pittsburgh, PA (Wings fan for life!) on 07/04/12 at 11:55 PM ET

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Carle’s salary is ridiculous. What are you thinking Stevie? Just amazing that a mediocre defenseman got that much. Shows the serious lack of depth in free agency this summer

Posted by yzer19man from Chicago, IL on 07/04/12 at 11:56 PM ET

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I am now solidly in the Nash camp.  I want a trade and I would be willing to part with several mid-level scoring talents to land him as well as some draft picks and a few prospects.  The Wings still need and have always needed another scoring winger—a real talent.  Someone who is capable of 40 goals. They are not easy to come by, and there is one waiting for us in Ohio.  I say go for it.  We have too many forward as it is right now anyway, so let’s move some of them out. We can fill in the rest of the holes as we go, but a player like Nash doesn’t come along all the time and I think we need to go for it.

Posted by John from Pittsburgh, PA (Wings fan for life!) on 07/05/12 at 12:11 AM ET

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Well folks from DET-let’s start the bidding for the services of Mr Bouwmeester….what say you all???

Posted by Scooter Kelly from Medicine Hat on 07/05/12 at 12:14 AM ET

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I enjoyed Niyo’s piece more:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120704/OPINION03/207040383/1128/SPORTS0103/The-new-reality-Red-Wings-left-holding-cash-free-agency

“Well, it leaves them in good company, I suppose, with the rest of the spurned suitors. And really, it leaves them saying publicly — again — what their fan base is still reluctant to admit: The Red Wings aren’t what they used to be.”

Is this really the new message that is going to come out of Wings PR?

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 07/05/12 at 12:14 AM ET

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Of course, Nash might not be an option since he apparently has told the Jackets he would only accept a trade to the Sharks, Rangers, and maybe the Leafs.  In other words, he isn’t interesting in winning a cup…

The discussions went sideways last weekend because Nash told the Jackets he is steadfast in his refusal to come here. Sources say he’d like to be dealt to the Sharks or Rangers. He may consider Toronto.

http://www.lfpress.com/sports/hockey/2012/07/03/19946706.html

Posted by John from Pittsburgh, PA (Wings fan for life!) on 07/05/12 at 12:17 AM ET

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In other words, he isn’t interesting in winning a cup…

I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention, but going to the Wings, especially considering what they’d have to give up, isn’t even a guarantee of going to a PLAYOFF team.

Posted by Garth on 07/05/12 at 12:20 AM ET

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I hear you, Garth, and I’m not the kind of guy who thinks the only chance a player has to win a cup is to come to the Wings.  That is just not true.  But I don’t think the Sharks, Rangers, or Maple Leafs, are in the position to win a cup either.  His list is limited to teams that aren’t contenders, and that in itself says something about the player.

I also think its interesting that the list is so small.  Not very strategic on his behalf.

Posted by John from Pittsburgh, PA (Wings fan for life!) on 07/05/12 at 12:28 AM ET

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John, There were evidentally 4 teams on his original list including the Wings and Sharks.  Rangers aaaaand I can’t recall the 4th.  Leafs were not on his list though he said he MAY consider it if there were a trade proposal immanent.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/05/12 at 01:23 AM ET

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After today’s events I have 2 major concerns.

1 - With all of the reasonable FA defensemen gone, what does this do to Quincey’s salary demands? We already know he didn’t like the modest raise of the qualifying offer. Now he knows he’s go us over a barrel. No way do I want this team paying $5.5M for Kyle Bloody Fuching Quincey. But at this point do we really have a choice? Ugh.

2 - How does the team adapt to the loss of skill, particularly on the blueline?  Can and should Babs re-mold this team into a chip and chase team or some awkward hybrid of puck possession? Can the generally smaller and lighter wings adapt and succeed at that aggressive game? Will the skilled players buy in, especially after having played a precision game for so long? Worse still, does this mean we’re going to be forced into a trapping/shot blocking defense?

Yeah, I’ve been spoiled but I’m afraid the Wings are going to be less fun to watch this season. Never mind the record however that shakes out, a large part of the enjoyment I get watching hockey is the grace and flow of the game. I don’t want to see my team fall back on the brutish and ugly style of play of teams like Dallas and Phoenix.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 07/05/12 at 01:42 AM ET

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How skewed is the market?  Dallas will pay Jaromir Jagr $4.5 M.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/05/12 at 02:15 AM ET

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...... AAAAAAND also will pay Ray Whitney $4.5M.  Yes, the Stars two highest paid forwards are Jagr and Whitney.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/05/12 at 02:18 AM ET

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Wait wait wait…  I get home from moving all day, sit down to relax and find out which one of the two, if not both, big free agents they got, and find out neither?  Minnesota?  Really?  I guess I don’t know what to think.

Posted by Bent from The U.P. on 07/05/12 at 02:40 AM ET

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John, There were evidentally 4 teams on his original list including the Wings and Sharks.  Rangers aaaaand I can’t recall the 4th.  Leafs were not on his list though he said he MAY consider it if there were a trade proposal immanent.

Interesting.  I am on board with a trade for Nash, even it comes at a steep cost. He is the kind of player you build around, and I think the Wings would have an easier time building a winner with him than without him.

Posted by John from Pittsburgh, PA (Wings fan for life!) on 07/05/12 at 05:11 AM ET

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Posted by John from Pittsburgh, PA (Wings fan for life!) on 07/05/12 at 03:11 AM ET

hear hear.  Would even consider moving Gus, I think he’s slick and all, but Nash is young too and proven and big and plays PP and PK, blocks shots.  He’d do good in a place that’s already full of leaders and he can just come in and play his game.

Wouldn’t move Smith for anything.  All F prospects on the table for Nash though.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/05/12 at 09:18 AM ET

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John, There were evidentally 4 teams on his original list including the Wings and Sharks.  Rangers aaaaand I can’t recall the 4th.  Leafs were not on his list though he said he MAY consider it if there were a trade proposal immanent.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 11:23 PM ET

http://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/220581818628440064

“Confirmed today Pittsburgh is on Rick Nash’s “approved” list. So ‪#NYR‬, ‪#Flyers‬, ‪#RedWings‬, ‪#SJSharks‬, ‪#PghPenguins‬. Could be 1-2 others.”

Posted by Steve J from Columbia, MO on 07/05/12 at 09:38 AM ET

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Something else to consider is that Babcock, Holland, and co. thought the Wings would struggle to make the playoffs last season, and were pleasantly surprised to find the club over achieving through the first 60 games.

We are now facing a reality where getting worse may be the only way to get better, as the draft is the only way left to reliably obtain talent.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 07/05/12 at 10:07 AM ET

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Something else to consider is that Babcock, Holland, and co. thought the Wings would struggle to make the playoffs last season, and were pleasantly surprised to find the club over achieving through the first 60 games.

We are now facing a reality where getting worse may be the only way to get better, as the draft is now the most reliable place to obtain talent.  Free agency is a 30 team crap shoot where the players pick the teams they want, more and more often based on family considerations.  Trades come with huge price tags and are almost impossible to come by as almost everyone is at least on the bubble.  Drafting and development is the best long term option left.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 07/05/12 at 10:12 AM ET

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How were the fireworks last nite Chief?

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 07/05/12 at 11:09 AM ET

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Thankfully I’ve had my kiddos baseball to keep me from obsessing over the FA BS of the last few days.
On a much more positive note, my 10 year old got an invite to play for a team headed to the 10 & Under AA World Series. He shut this team down pitching against them in the local league championship game (pitched 4 innings out of 5, walked one & struck out 5).
He’s gonna spend time on the bump and behind the plate at the WS.  grin

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 07/05/12 at 11:17 AM ET

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2 - How does the team adapt to the loss of skill, particularly on the blueline?  Can and should Babs re-mold this team into a chip and chase team or some awkward hybrid of puck possession? Can the generally smaller and lighter wings adapt and succeed at that aggressive game?

I noted something similar to this the other day.  Since there are no elite “D” out there - except via a trade;  DET are going to have to “run and gun”.

Yet, you make an astute point.

I expect DET will have to adopt a fierce forecheck, and try to play much more up-tempo; it seems the only choice they have.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 on 07/05/12 at 09:17 AM ET

Outstanding!

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 07/05/12 at 11:24 AM ET

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at least in Minnesota Suter and Parise can’t hurt us TOO much.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 07/05/12 at 11:57 AM ET

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by the way, hate to remind you all of this…but the CBA expires at the beginning of Sept.  where Suter and Parise went, and who the wings sign (or don’t sign) is going to be moot when there’s no hockey season this year…

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 07/05/12 at 01:19 PM ET

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I’ve been through the good and the bad with the wings…have a little faith fans!!  Just because we didn’t spend an overage of money for 2 stars doesn’t mean the organization doesn’t know what they are doing in getting a great team together that will thrive!  Sure, I was disappointed at the miss on the signings, but I know the possibilities still out there are great!  Holland wasn’t excited about Carle anyway…Stevie can have him.  Hudler….Are we surprised?  He already ran away overseas once before…Calgary can have him cause we don’t need him if he doesn’t want to be there anyway!!

There are great things to come, have some faith and patience!

Posted by Ghost from Lafayette, IN on 07/05/12 at 01:48 PM ET

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On a much more positive note, my 10 year old got an invite to play for a team headed to the 10 & Under AA World Series. He shut this team down pitching against them in the local league championship game (pitched 4 innings out of 5, walked one & struck out 5).
He’s gonna spend time on the bump and behind the plate at the WS.

Outstanding, MO.  Hope we’ll see him on TV playing for the WS.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/05/12 at 01:49 PM ET

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by the way, hate to remind you all of this…but the CBA expires at the beginning of Sept.  where Suter and Parise went, and who the wings sign (or don’t sign) is going to be moot when there’s no hockey season this year…

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 07/05/12 at 11:19 AM ET

Fehr stated that even without a new CBA in place, the season can still start, so long as negotiations are being conducted.  That’s the little hope I have left regarding that, please don’t take it away from me.

Posted by rrasco from TEXAS on 07/05/12 at 07:10 PM ET

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