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Four Weeks To Go

from Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News,

There are four weeks left to this miserable Red Wings’ season.

The end can’t come soon enough, to be sure, for players, coaches, front office, and fans alike. The two losses in Florida over the weekend, especially Sunday’s 6-1 loss to the Panthers, put an exclamation point, as it were, to this most recent slide.

The Wings’ have lost 10 of their last 11 games, and too many of them are becoming one-sided, if not on the scoreboard, then on the ice.

There was a definite feeling in the Wings’ room after Sunday’s game that things have to change for this final stretch....

Frans Nielsen, another veteran forward who seen the highs and lows in hockey, was almost speechless after Sunday’s loss.

“Right now, we’re going backward,” Nielsen said. “We’re a step behind everywhere. It’s just not OK. It’s been a lot of times now this year.”

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“Right now, because of the trade deadline and injuries, we’re undermanned,” Blashill said. “Probably two guys that aren’t playing are in our top 4 (defense) either through injury (Green) or trade (Jensen), certainly our top-line center (Larkin) and probably our top-line winger (Nyquist).

“So, you have to play your ‘A’ game. You can’t afford anything less than 100 percent in terms of execution and playing at your top level. We need guys to step up and play at the level they are capable.

“It’s not one guy. It’s not young guys or old guys. The other night we had a group of guys playing their ‘B’ or ‘C’ game and (Sunday) we had a different group of guys playing their ‘B’ or ‘C’ game. It wasn’t a lack of want or try. But certainly it was a lack of execution.”

Sounds like a coach knowing the talent level isn’t there and the only way the team can win is with everyone playing their ‘A’ game.

Blashill can be faulted for many things, but he does not deliver the talent, he just deals with whoever he has.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/11/19 at 02:32 PM ET

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Acknowledged, but Blashill has never appeared to get any individual or group to outplay expectations.

Posted by Ventr on 03/11/19 at 02:37 PM ET

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This team is rebuilding, right???  The focus should be on the kids and the old dogs will just disappear, eventually.

AA has been hot in OT/S/O, Hronek played around 20 mins and was even in plus/minus (rest of the ugly D were all minus), Howard/Bernier are 2nd tier Goalies and ugly D is part of it, Larkin leads the team in most Offensive categories,..... The kids are starting to look good, another year next year hopefully be new additions and a younger team.

They still are going to get bombed once in awhile but that is rebuilds are all about.

Having a competitive team now is not a reality, for a few years.

The PK during the Panther blowout was Helm,Aby,Errorson and Daley.  All vets and all have to moved. I wonder what Howard thought when he saw those clowns in front of him?

Rebuild!!!

It sure looks like the Wings will have twin anchors for GM/Coach

 

 

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/11/19 at 02:53 PM ET

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Very coherent WR. The Wings need some younger players who are more talented to come up, but they still have to draft more of them. Hopefully another top 6 forward and top pair defenseman are still needed. And that includes McIsaac, Veleno and Berggren all panning out. And if course get rid of the guys who aren’t worth their contracts, as well as about 13M in dead cap going away. I think it’s going to be bad next year. And maybe the year after.

Posted by teldar on 03/11/19 at 03:02 PM ET

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Dick Coughlin is an active follower of A2Y/KK on Twitter,

If the players have to keep themselves focused what is Blashill going to do? It’s his overall responsibility to put a good product on the ice. Stop blaming the players and take responsibility for another dismal season

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/11/19 at 03:09 PM ET

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Would have liked to add Montour. Wonder if Rasmussen + an early 2nd would have been enough? Or maybe something like Bertuzzi +? We have an abundance of middle 6 wingers…Mantha, AA, Bert and guys like Rasmussen on track for that. Packaging one of them for a top 4 d-man should be a priority. But the next GM will figure that out quickly.

Posted by rogerrab on 03/11/19 at 03:12 PM ET

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he just deals with whoever he has.

And that’s a thing he can be faulted for, because he manages to get the less than the best out of pretty much everyone.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 03/11/19 at 03:26 PM ET

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Posted by teldar on 03/11/19 at 03:02 PM ET

Top 2 D etc probably won’t appear for a couple of years.  Holland has to get rid of his bad signings, not sure that is possible.  He will probably resign some of them, UGH!

Pray for some good drafting and good progression from 1st/2nd yr players.


Dismal it will be but hopefully a bit better.

Ras it seems is in an odd spot.  In the WHL he was on the ice for big mins.  Why the Bald one is not using him to get experience, or see if he really is a prospect, is beyond me.

The Canucks signed a top pick out of College and the Coach says he is going to use him alot,(less than 10 games).  Ras gets more work moving on the bench for players coming off the ice.  The Bald one is totally responsible for Ras’s ice time

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/11/19 at 03:29 PM ET

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  Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/11/19 at 03:29 PM ET

Holland has to get rid of his bad signings, not sure that is possible.  He will probably resign some of them, UGH!

Check out capfriendly, we have a lot of money rolling off in the next 2 years, only Larkin DDK Abby and Neilson are signed more than 2 years, the last 3 undesirable.


Why the Bald one is not using him to get experience, or see if he really is a prospect, is beyond me.  There’s experience and there’s putting someone in a position to fail.  Its been a long season on a 19 year old kid who has basically just survived on the 4th line, while showing some flash around our net on the PP.  Coach is doing the right thing by not over exposing him and destroying his confidence, he should be in the AHL not NHL, they should’ve sent him back to juniors so he could join the AHL in the post season, that’s on Holland not Blashill.

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 03/11/19 at 03:59 PM ET

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The PK during the Panther blowout was Helm,Aby,Errorson and Daley.  All vets and all have to moved.

Good luck with that. Maybe a buyout for Ericsson and maybe trade Daley for “future considerations”. They are stuck with Helm, Abby and Neilsson.

Ras and Svechnikov are two pieces the Wings must get more out of next season if they intend to accelerate this turn around.

Right now I’m really glad Holland didn’t already sign Howard to an extension. He’s been awful since the trade deadline.

Posted by evileye on 03/11/19 at 04:03 PM ET

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they should’ve sent him back to juniors so he could join the AHL in the post season, that’s on Holland not Blashill.


I will check if his WHL team is playing in the playoffs, or not a playoff team. WHL trade deadline has passed

Definitely agree AHL is the right place for Ras

Better off playing anywhere than keeping a bench warm,I guess.

Tough season for the “Gentle Giant”

I see why you pick Holland but if he is in the lineup The Bald One” should have control, right???

So if Ras’s Junior team doesn’t make the playoffs or out early, Ras can’t go to AHL???

Check out capfriendly, we have a lot of money rolling off in the next 2 years,

Assuming Holland won’t extend some of them ?? Big Assume, hope you are right!

 

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/11/19 at 04:56 PM ET

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I’ve said this before, but Rasmussen should have been sent to the CHL. His production playing centre was nothing special. Then he got moved to the wing and went red-hot for a couple of months. So they thought he was ready for the NHL.

Major mistake.

Go back to the CHL and go play centre. If you score 100 goals well I guess we screwed up and you are wasting your time. But I highly doubt it. He should have been in the CHL, then the World Juniors, then a late call-up to the AHL when his CHL season ended.

We should also be exploring the idea of trading him. Good GMs sometimes trade top prospects to fill other needs on the roster. You exploit that another GM might perceive higher value. You can’t sit patiently on every single prospect as their value plummets. If you have Larkin, AA, Mantha, Bertuzzi, Rasmussen, Zadina, Veleno, possibly Hughes or Kakko then you start moving out pieces. Because our defense blows. 

Posted by rogerrab on 03/11/19 at 05:35 PM ET

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Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/11/19 at 04:56 PM ET

Ras had to go back to Juniors like 2 weeks ago IF he was going to go, finish their season, then he could go to the AHL.  They opted to keep him here, he finishes the season here, no choice.

Blash controls the roster he has, Ras dresses, but doesn’t play against top talent, no reason to put him in a position to fail and potentially ruin his development, or pick up bad habits.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 03/11/19 at 05:36 PM ET

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So they thought he was ready for the NHL. Major mistake.

There it is. Hindsight.

“Good GMs sometimes…”
...don’t make trades at all.
...trade veterans at the deadline.
...trade veterans long before the trade deadline and they get hurt.
...go with the young goalie.
...draft so and so who came later than the guy they drafted.
...don’t trade back a pick to get an additional 2nd.
...don’t overreact.
...poop in the woods.

sigh. Here we go again. Kenny can’t even get wiping right. It’s front to back in case you are wondering.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 03/11/19 at 06:06 PM ET

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Ras dresses, but doesn’t play against top talent, no reason to put him in a position to fail and potentially ruin his development, or pick up bad habits.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 03/11/19 at 05:36 PM ET

Remember when fans wanted the young players to play no matter what?

Can’t Ras still go to GR when his CHL team is finished?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 03/11/19 at 06:08 PM ET

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They still are going to get bombed once in awhile but that is rebuilds are all about.

Having a competitive team now is not a reality, for a few years.


True, but I think they will be competitive sooner rather than later. Trying to be optimistic.  confused

Posted by bigfrog on 03/11/19 at 09:58 PM ET

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Can’t Ras still go to GR when his CHL team is finished?

I don’t think so. He had to be eligible for the AHL roster a few weeks ago to play in the AHL playoffs. He wasn’t eligible because he wasn’t playing in the CHL at that time.

The Wings would have preferred Ras played in the AHL this season but it wasn’t an option. I understand why they didn’t want him playing in the CHL. I still think he learned more by being in the NHL.

He hasn’t had a miserable season. It might not have been ideal but it has been a learning experience. I refuse to rush to judgment on him just yet.

People have begged for the young guys to play and that’s what they got with Ras, Cholo, Hronek and a few others. They are not the problem with this roster. It’s the aging veterans that aren’t carrying their share of the weight.

Posted by evileye on 03/12/19 at 09:57 AM ET

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Let me know if you get dena vu from this bit:

“Play the kids!”
“No, not that one!”

Posted by ilovehomers on 03/12/19 at 12:23 PM ET

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Let me know if you get dena vu from this bit:
“Play the kids!”
“No, not that one!”
Posted by ilovehomers on 03/12/19 at 12:23 PM ET Let me know if you get dena vu from this bit:
“Play the kids!”
“No, not that one!”
Posted by ilovehomers on 03/12/19 at 12:23 PM ET

It is possible for someone to hold the opinion that we have too many vets and could benefit from evaluating younger players…yet at the same time also have the opinion that certain younger players are not ready.

Put me into that camp please.

I’d have no problem if a guy like Kronwall or Daley or Ericsson had been moved and someone like 25-year old Sulak was being evaluated right now. But would be strongly against someone like say Saarijarvi.

I wish we could have shopped Glendening and then called up Turgeon for a 4th line role. But notice I was not in favour of Rasmussen being here this year.

Would have loved to dump Howard and called up 25-year old Rybar. Give him 5-10 games down the stretch and see if this is someone who could challenge for a back-up job next year.

But I guess if you think we should play more kids we’re supposed to just happily endorse every decision the team makes regarding their usage…

 

Posted by rogerrab on 03/12/19 at 01:12 PM ET

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“Play the kids!”
“No, not that one!”

To be fair, how dumb does a person need to be to hear “play the kids” and think that it means play any child within earshot?

I mean, why is it on the person complaining to assume that they’re talking to someone who doesn’t have even the most basic common sense as to be able to understand that?

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 03/12/19 at 02:21 PM ET

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Would have loved to dump Howard and called up 25-year old Rybar. Give him 5-10 games down the stretch and see if this is someone who could challenge for a back-up job next year.

Considering how Howard is getting lit-up in front of this team, just imagine what would have happened to Rybar.  Maybe 2 or 3 good games while he’s excited and the team plays strong, but then that fades, and suddenly he’s giving up 5 goals a night, getting pulled at the second intermission.

Posted by TreKronor on 03/12/19 at 03:39 PM ET

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Considering how Howard is getting lit-up in front of this team, just imagine what would have happened to Rybar.  Maybe 2 or 3 good games while he’s excited and the team plays strong, but then that fades, and suddenly he’s giving up 5 goals a night, getting pulled at the second intermission.

Posted by TreKronor on 03/12/19 at 03:39 PM ET

Tre,

At least giving Rybar a game or two may help him down the road and get a feel for the game in the big league. That way when he does come up, he would hopefully acclimate better because he already witnessed the speed of the game. There is 13 games left in the season and Jimmy has be atrocious his last ten starts. I say why not?

Just a thought.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 03/12/19 at 04:18 PM ET

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At least giving Rybar a game or two may help him down the road

A game or two, yeah for sure.  5-10?  No way. 

There is 13 games left in the season and Jimmy has be atrocious his last ten starts

Carey Price is a pretty good goalie, right?  Probably one of the best in the league I think we could all agree.  Look at his stats last year when he was playing behind a truly atrocious team.  You can be one of the best goalies in the league but if the team in front of you sucks, your stats are going to show it.

The team in front of Jimmy sucks.  They absolutely freaking suck right now.  If Price, or Fluery, or Dubnyk is playing behind this Wings team, they still suck just as much.

I don’t give a crap how good or bad the team OR Jimmy plays the next few weeks.  I just want them to lose, but it’s going to be darn hard to beat Ottawa at that.

Posted by TreKronor on 03/12/19 at 04:29 PM ET

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Considering how Howard is getting lit-up in front of this team, just imagine what would have happened to Rybar.  Posted by TreKronor on 03/12/19 at 03:39 PM ET

OK. I am imagining it. And I don’t know what would happen. Hence the suggestion to give him a look. Maybe you are right and he lets in 5 goals a night and gets pulled every time. Well, if that happens, then we can conclude that he probably isn’t ready to tandem with Bernier next year and we might need to sign another goalie.

Or maybe he looks great? He’s got a 2.26 GAA in the AHL this year. 3rd in the entire league. And significantly better than the 2.88 of Sateri in front of the same roster. His previous 2 years in Europe were pretty impressive as well. He’s not a kid. He’s 25 years old. What more does he need to do to earn a couple games which are otherwise meaningless?

Posted by rogerrab on 03/12/19 at 05:05 PM ET

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Posted by rogerrab on 03/12/19 at 05:05 PM ET

Tomas Jurco comes to mind.

Posted by TreKronor on 03/12/19 at 05:11 PM ET

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Tomas Jurco comes to mind.

Posted by TreKronor on 03/12/19 at 05:11 PM ET

He was 20 when he was called up. And had some good games but clearly wasn’t ready for the big leagues. But Babcock (as it was told through the media) wanted him up. He was really never the same after his back injury either.

Here you have a 25 year old goalie that has a professional background (not the NHL I grant you) that should be given a look for the reasons stated. If he flounders back he goes. If he plays well he is going back for the Griffs Playoffs anyways. Either way unless he gets hurt I see it to be more advantageous than not. IMHO.

For those of you that didn’t have the displeasure of following the Wings through the Dead Wing Era, there is very many similarities of where the team is now. I think this is a much better team talent wise than that time period. But the Team was full of retread vets that were middle of the road to begin with or their time has passed. The 76-77 was the worst season I recall. I think Alex D was coach then. This is a few years after Harkness was fired as GM/Coach.

But when Jimmy D took over, he took chances on youth mix with decent vet talent. And he could be ruthless and would drop anyone that wasn’t playing to his expectations. You saw the same with J Demers. But Brian Murray sucked up to the Vets and the team became complacent. Not until Scottie came were any of these players held accountable. He bounced some big names off the roster. Paul Coffey and Dino C come to mind. Hall of famers.

But Jimmy D gave the kids a chance. And if they didn’t cut it, they were sent back down to adirondack redwings or completely cut.

I do think Holland has given some kids some chances and since he painted himself in a corner with so many bad contracts he is limited. But with 13 games left, unless the young player is up against his nine game limit, there is Zero reason not to try them.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 03/12/19 at 05:55 PM ET

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Yeah, why would you want to bring Rybar into the mess that is this team right now? Just to get bombed (likely)?

He probably would have played if Howie or Bernier got injured, but somehow Howie has dodged that bullet.

Posted by ilovehomers on 03/12/19 at 06:03 PM ET

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Another thing to consider in all of this is the limited number of call ups the Wings have. I believe they have 2 more left, which is why Ehn coming up is an “emergency.” Still a few more games, let’s give it some time.

Posted by ilovehomers on 03/12/19 at 06:14 PM ET

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Yeah, why would you want to bring Rybar into the mess that is this team right now? Just to get bombed (likely)?
He probably would have played if Howie or Bernier got injured, but somehow Howie has dodged that bullet.
Posted by ilovehomers on 03/12/19 at 06:03 PM ET

Key word there is likely. We don’t know how he’ll do.

Nashville had Juuse Saros. Similar situation. A couple of great seasons in Europe. Followed by a strong debut in the AHL. He gets called up. He excels. He won the back-up job. Did you see that coming?

Same story with David Rittich. His numbers were worse than Rybar. He didn’t look like anything special. But after a brief adjustment to the NHL, he’s become the starter in Calgary.

Devils lost Schneider to injury. They could have added a veteran via waivers or via trade, but instead gave Blackwood a shot at age 22. His numbers in the NHL are better than the AHL. And the Devils are just as awful as us.

Point is. Lots of teams reward a young goalie having a great AHL season with a brief audition. Especially when there is nothing to play for. Sometimes these goalies surprise you. I’m not actually some huge Rybar fan. I don’t know if he’ll amount to anything. But what I do know is that Howard and Bernier are both playing like trash. So what is the harm in giving the guy 5-10 games to see what he’s made of. Maybe he succeeds the way Saros, Rittich, Blackwood did? Or think Matt Murray, Broissoit, the list goes on. Now maybe instead of feeling pressured to sign Howard you promote Rybar, who will be 26 by then. But I guess Howard at 36 is pretty tempting too…

Posted by rogerrab on 03/12/19 at 06:25 PM ET

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I’d rather see a few of the defensemen play this season then a goalie that hasn’t been picked up by another NHL club until Detroit came calling….this year. Hicketts and Saarijarvi should come up as two of the four call ups. I’d like Smith to get a look see for motivation. But, it’s more likely that Turgeon and or Holmstrom get a look with the latter being the more important guy since the rumor is he’s leaving.

A goalie gets called up when there’s an emergency.. this is why this exception exists at this time of year. For example , when Schneider goes down and Blackwood gets a chance.

I get the excitement about giving the guy a shot when the two other goalies are not playing well. Please don’t just pick a few guys out of literally hundreds of others who contradict your preferred position (that’s called cherry picking). There’s a reason each team has coaching staff to constantly evaluate players and assess when they are ready for a jump. I don’t think Detroit’s staff is as bad as a lot of people make them out to be. If Rybar is ready then they will make a path for him. If he isn’t then calling him up now when he really isn’t needed is wasting an opportunity for someone else who is ready.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 03/13/19 at 01:09 AM ET

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(that’s called cherry picking).

My favorite logical fallacy!

If Rybar is ready then they will make a path for him.

Cant say the wings are perfect here…but also not gonna pretend I am smarter than them all the time.

Posted by ilovehomers on 03/13/19 at 04:50 AM ET

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In fact, my favorite all time screw up was signing Mike samuelsson a 2nd time to block nyquist…who scored twice in his first game against Carolina I think when he did get his chance

Posted by ilovehomers on 03/13/19 at 05:23 AM ET

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Tre and all,

The wings will be installing the new signed the former collegiate players into the line up this season. Any thoughts?
https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2019/03/college-free-agents-ryan-kuffner-taro-hirose-will-play-for-red-wings-this-season.html

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 03/13/19 at 08:35 AM ET

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Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 03/13/19 at 08:35 AM ET

Does this circumvent the “call up” limit?

Posted by ilovehomers on 03/13/19 at 10:17 AM ET

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IDK homers, may Paul or someone else can answer.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 03/13/19 at 11:30 AM ET

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Does this circumvent the “call up” limit?

Posted by ilovehomers on 03/13/19 at 10:17 AM ET

I would wager it does circumvent the “call up” limit otherwise they probably would have been sent down to GR to get ready for the AHL playoffs. And if it does, then kudos to Holland for picking up a could guys for free looks in the NHL.

What I wonder is if sending a player down counts as one of those 4 transactions and who will be hanging with the vets on the greens this spring?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 03/13/19 at 02:28 PM ET

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