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Detroit’s RFAs- Try To Sign, Try To Trade Or Let Them Walk

The headline says it all unless you have other options.

You have decisions to make.

Anthony Mantha

Tyler Bertuzzi

Adam Erne

Robby Fabbri

Brendan Perlini

Christopher Ehn

Dmytro Timashov

Madison Bowey

Non roster players

Taro Hirose

Evgeny Svechnikov

Dominic Turgeon

Kyle Wood

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Mantha and Bertuzzi are obviously important to the core of the team.

Fabbri has more to prove and needs to stay healthy,
but seems to be a definite part of StevieY’s plans. He may have
been the player who made AA expendable.

I’d give Erne another chance since the team needs younger grinders.
Maybe he earns a little more ice and produces a few more points.
But I wouldn’t necessarily qualify him at his current salary given the dreadful numbers.

Is Ehn that much more useful than Turgeon or even Pearson?
He plays like 10 mins and provides virtually no offense or physical impact.
But he’s a checker who can skate. Again, I wouldn’t necessarily want to establish the idea a player like this automatically gets a raise. On how many other teams does he even have a roster spot? Should be a 13th-14th forward most nights.

I’d let Perlini walk. Maybe he lacked the center he needed, but good luck, it won’t get better for him here in that sense. This is a one-dimensional player who didn’t do anything in that dimension. Give Svechnikov and Smith and others those minutes.

Svechnikov has to clear waivers and offers some size and skill. Hopefully he stays healthy and we finally see what he can do over a full season in Detroit.

Hirose may not ever get that much bigger at his age, but if can add enough strength to adapt to the big league game, he has skill and hockey sense we need.

Turgeon is probably a career AHL player. Organizational depth at most.

The defense is so thin, I’d keep Bowey at the right price to help give younger legit prospects more time to develop without throwing too many at once into the NHL full time. Maybe he can iron out some errors and inconsistencies or be flipped for a mid-round or later pick.

Don’t know much of anything about Wood who seems like a career AHL guy based on age and usage.

I wonder if we don’t bring back Biega at a low price as cheap veteran support.
He’s the only UFA on defense where that seems possible given he’s been playing 20+ mins lately. Then again a different coach could have other preferences.

Posted by lefty.30 on 02/27/20 at 11:10 AM ET

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Sign - Mantha, Bertuzzi, Ehn, Svechnikov (hoping he’s called up and impresses), Wood, Fabbri

Trade - Perlini, Bowey, Hirose

Walk - Erne, Turgeon

Posted by Unhealthy Scratch on 02/27/20 at 11:10 AM ET

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Anthony Mantha - SIGN
Tyler Bertuzzi - SIGN
Adam Erne - WALK AWAY
Robby Fabbri - SIGN
Brendan Perlini - Hoo boy… knee jerk reaction is WALK AWAY because of his stats, but I do think he has more to give and needs the right line and time.  Maybe SIGN and give him another year (it’s not like DET has high hopes for next season and can’t afford to wait and see)
Christopher Ehn - SIGN
Madison Bowey - TRADE?  Otherwise WALK AWAY.  I absolutely think someone would give something (even a very low pick) for Bowey.  He has offensive ability and a little upside yet.

Non roster players
Taro Hirose - SIGN.  He has real ability still, and to be honest he should probably be in DET right now.
Evgeny Svechnikov - SIGN SHORT-TERM AND EXPLORE TRADE (but if no trade, keep for now, one more year won’t hurt)
Dominic Turgeon - SIGN
Kyle Wood - WALK AWAY

Posted by Primis on 02/27/20 at 11:11 AM ET

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I already know my opinion will be unpopular but here it is for the sake of discussion.

I am not sold on many of these “core” pieces. I think that Detroit is very close to becoming another Buffalo being stuck in the cycle of top two round draft picks not panning out to be NHL players and our “elite” young talent is solid second line talent on any perennial cup contending team. That being said I also understand that our rebuild is still in the “toddler” stage.

I would explore a sign and trade or an out right trade scenario for Mantha due to the fact that yes he had “POTENTIAL” 30 goal ability but he also has the “FACTUAL TRUTH” that he is hurt atleast 20 games a season. I would only sign and keep him if it was a reasonable bridge deal to see if he can move potential into production.

Bertuzzi on the other hand is a solid role player that can provide 15-25 goals per year and play in almost every situation so he is a for sure SIGN.

Fabbri is another often injured guy with lots of “POTENTIAL” he is Trade bait for sure or another Bridge deal candidate.

Erne to me he looks a lot like an Abby 2.0 if the price was right he could be a 4th line guy but we have TOO MANY of those already. So probably attempt to trade him in a package possibly.

Perlini: Something just hasn’t clicked with him in Detroit. I might try him with some better players for the rest of the season and see if he can get going. If not he would be a throw in on a deal at best so I would probably walk away and feel bad we gave up a solid defensive prospect for a year of basically nothing.

Ehn: Solid 4th line center with size, no harm in signing him to a 2 year deal at 925,000 A.A.V.

Bowey: He is an enigma, he plays well and chips in then make a boneheaded defensive play. I don’t think he has much trade value and we will need NHL players next year on the back end after losing Ericsson, Daley, Green. So as a short term band-aid between the old guard and the new why not SIGN him.

Hirose: I saw a lot of him in his college career, and he is consistently putting up points in the AHL I think he should be on the Wings roster right now. He is much better than most of our bottom 6. He can kill penalties play the power play and has a very high hockey IQ. He should be an easy signing for a 2-3 year deal around 1.5, 1.8 A.A.V.

Svechnikov: He is another SIGN and TRADE or play on the new deal to drive up value. I would sign him to a 2 year deal and play him right out of camp and see what you have after 30-40 games.

Turgeon: Career AHL player with opportunity to be a call up when needed.

Wood: AHL depth defensman.

In closing I am also of the school of thought that not one player on the Wings roster is untouchable if the right deal came along. By the time there is enough talent on this roster to consistently compete for the playoffs these now prospects will be 25-26 years old so every option should be kept on the table to improve the team long-term.

 

 

Posted by Chris4Wngs on 02/27/20 at 11:53 AM ET

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Svetch is heading to the KHL next season.  It’s unfortunate that injuries reall set him back.

Posted by ChillDistiller from Michigan on 02/27/20 at 12:06 PM ET

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OK, forget what I said, trade Svech…

Posted by Unhealthy Scratch on 02/27/20 at 12:09 PM ET

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Is it confirmed news or speculation that Svechnikov is/will/would leave if he doesn’t make Detroit’s roster full-time?

His brother is here. I’d think he’d still have a lot to prove and want to prove it.

Yzerman in the recent interview Paul posted said his attitude has been great
and he’s been playing well lately and he’ll get a legit chance to crack the lineup.

Posted by lefty.30 on 02/27/20 at 01:00 PM ET

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Anthony Mantha - SIGN, long term
Tyler Bertuzzi - SIGN but I’d seriously considering TRADE because I don’t see his game aging well in the 3-5 years it’s going to take to get back to playoff competitive status
Adam Erne - TRADE - Shooting % is bad this year but checkers are dime a dozen, need scoring
Robby Fabbri - SIGN, 1-2 years less than $3M, he should get the AA treatment
Brendan Perlini - SIGN for TRADE but if you’re serious about getting him the next step, give him Erne’s 1 year deal
Christopher Ehn - TRADE/WALK - got AHL players who can play 4L C and put up zero points, he’s just the latest in a line of forgettable plugs
Madison Bowey - SIGN, give him every opportunity you would have otherwise given Cholowski or Green and if he’s got more we’ll see it. Would be interested to see him with DeKeyser if you trust Hronek enough to drive his own pairing.

Non roster players
Taro Hirose - SIGN - at worst he’s your new AHL ringer
Evgeny Svechnikov - SIGN and play but if he’s off to the KHL, that’s an understandable but tragic end for a guy I really wanted to see succeed
Dominic Turgeon - WALK - unless he’s your forward version of Brian Lashoff, a guy happy to be in GR and show prospects the ropes
Kyle Wood - WALK - who? AHL depth with no NHL chance needs to be minimized to only AHL ringers or off-the-ice leadership

Posted by tekjansen on 02/27/20 at 01:21 PM ET

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Yikes.

Thanks for the link.

Always liked him and hoped for the best.

We’ll see if it’s confirmed by someone in the organization or if it’s conditional/leverage.

Maybe he’s frustrated he hasn’t been back up in Detroit or just doesn’t want to wait around to see if he’ll make the roster and play regularly.
That draft was so good, too, through most of the first round, if I recall correctly.

Posted by lefty.30 on 02/27/20 at 01:21 PM ET

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The new guy (Dmytro Timashov) should be on the list too

Posted by EthrDemon on 02/27/20 at 01:32 PM ET

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Thanks Ethr… added him to the list.  Hopefully we get to see him in the lineup soon.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/27/20 at 01:35 PM ET

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Is there any question on these two?  Term depends on rate, might be able to lock up both longer term at reasonable rates.
- Anthony Mantha -
- Tyler Bertuzzi -

Yes but short Term
- Robby Fabbri - Need to see how healthy he can stay for a LT commitment.
- Christopher Ehn - He’s been playing really well for a young kid, and he’s a center, considering we’re likely trading Helm and Glenny next year, and perma-benching Abby, he needs to come back.
- Evgeny Svechnikov - Need to at least give him a season when healthy on our 4th line before cutting him.

Take it or leave it near league minimums:
- Adam Erne
- Madison Bowey

At best 2-ways deals league minimum, starting them in Grand Rapids…
- Taro Hirose
- Dominic Turgeon
- Kyle Wood
- Brendan Perlini -

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 02/27/20 at 01:41 PM ET

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There is a reason why I don’t mention some rumors…

via Ansar Khan of Mlive,

Svechnikov’s agent dismissed a Russian report that indicated the 6-3, 208-pound right wing will play in the KHL next season.

“There’s no truth in it,” Mark Gandler, Svechnikov’s agent, said. “Evgeny is totally committed to the Wings.”

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/27/20 at 02:24 PM ET

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He’s not going - sign him!

Posted by Unhealthy Scratch on 02/27/20 at 02:25 PM ET

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Posted by ChillDistiller from Michigan on 02/27/20 at 12:04 PM ET

I would suggest not believing any “news” from Russia or Winging it in Clickbait.

Posted by TreKronor on 02/27/20 at 03:30 PM ET

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Sign ‘em all and let a meritocracy sort it out.

Posted by BaromirBragr on 02/27/20 at 03:46 PM ET

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Tre, WiiM isn’t Detroit Sports Nation. They rarely post things like that. Definitely one of the most trustworthy Wings blogs.

Posted by ChillDistiller from Michigan on 02/27/20 at 04:09 PM ET

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Svechnikov has to clear waivers and offers some size and skill.

Is this confirmed? I’ve read it in several places, but capfriendly’s waiver calculator says he’s got another year before he has to clear waivers.

https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers-calculator/evgeny-svechnikov#results

Posted by BaromirBragr on 02/27/20 at 04:10 PM ET

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Steve can’t make us watch this again next year - Blow up the team for the most part. Try and get younger, bigger and meaner.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 02/27/20 at 05:11 PM ET

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