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Daring Digger: St. James First To Mention Franzen Trade Possibility

Helene St. James is going crazy. It must be the uncommon early Spring boredom that’s got her all redolent.  She’s out there though, right on a limb.  And there’s no hotter topic these days than the streaky Moose.

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Johan Franzen did not have a good series, scoring one goal in five games despite playing next to Pavel Datsyuk. Franzen has eight years remaining on his contract, but his salary cap hit is a reasonable $3.9 million and his actual salary over the last three years is a combined $4 million, which would be attractive to teams worried about reaching the NHL’s minimum salary cap space requirement.

Don’t get all giddy. The whole article is NOT devoted to trading Franzen. That would be porn.  It’s mostly about money (butt tons), free agents (Parise, Parise, PARISE) and alibis in the event that he fails again this summer (“We’re in the process of trying to become deeper, but it doesn’t happen overnight,” Holland said.).

 

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George Malik's avatar

The concept of moving a 32-year-old with a $3.95 million cap hit sounds relatively simple in today’s NHL, but it ignores the fact that, according to Capgeek, Franzen will earn $5.25 million in real-world dollars for the 2012-2013 season and $5 million for the three seasons after that (and then $3.5 million, $2 million, $1 million and $1 million for the four final seasons of his contract).

I can’t imagine any team wanting to inherit an underachieving player who could cost them $20.25 million if he plays until he’s 36. His trade value is nil right now, and especially under a new CBA which might involve calculating players’ cap hits based upon their real-world wages, I don’t see there being any sort of market for him.

The Wings are stuck with him, for better or worse.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/23/12 at 07:34 AM ET

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It sure seems like Nashville got deeper overnight

Posted by Rdwings28 on 04/23/12 at 08:06 AM ET

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The Wings are stuck with him, for better or worse.

Is that you Mr Holland?

Posted by Garth on 04/23/12 at 08:33 AM ET

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I think there are teams that would take a chance with Mule. San Jose?  Chicago?  Tampa Bay?  These are three that immediately come to mind. It was pretty obvious that Babcock is over it with the Mule. I think they will try to move him.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 04/23/12 at 09:16 AM ET

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I hope, hope, HOPE they move Franzen. That alone would make my summer.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/23/12 at 09:25 AM ET

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I think there are teams that would take a chance with Mule.

I don’t know that Holland is even thinking about it, but if he were to let the league know that Franzen is available I bet there are at least a dozen GMs whose ears would perk up and a few whose eyes would like it at the idea of adding Franzen.

In a world where Jeff Carter gets signed to an 11-year contract and is traded before he plays a game under the new deal and is then traded again 3/4 of the way through his first season and in which Ville Leino and James Wisnewski get the deals they got, there’s a market for Franzen.

You don’t get to be a GM by not having an ego and you know there are a handful of GMs who would, upon hearing that Franzen is available, and for a relatively reasonable cap hit of under $4M a year, would think that if they paired “x” roster player with Johan Franzen, they could finally get Franzen (and/or “x” player) to play to his potential.

Posted by Garth on 04/23/12 at 09:44 AM ET

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Regardless of who moves, having seen how Florida, Atlanta (when Dudley was there) and the Blackhawks all worked together in recent years due to former working relationships, it will be interesting to see if the Wings/Lightning/Sharks/Senators will be on similar trading grounds in the years to come.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 04/23/12 at 09:50 AM ET

Heaton's avatar

I’m not opposed to trading Franzen, but I do find it funny that some people want to trade Franzen but sign Semin.

Posted by Heaton on 04/23/12 at 09:55 AM ET

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Also, to George’s point about being no market, you’re wrong IMO.  Teams looking to get over the hump will do anything.  The Capitals signed a guy who never scored more than 30 pts in a season to a 3m deal because of one above average post season run (Joel Ward).  THREE MILLION FOR JOEL WARD.  Plenty of teams would take Franzen happily.  And funny enough, it would probably motivate him to play better and people would end up bitching about Holland! You know it’s true.

Posted by Heaton on 04/23/12 at 10:01 AM ET

Russian Rocket's avatar

I imagine Brian Burke would love the chance to add a player like Franzen to his line up.  As long as the LTIR exemption exists or an owner has deep pockets these long contracts aren’t that much of a risk.

Posted by Russian Rocket on 04/23/12 at 10:22 AM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Maybe we’ll get stupidly lucky and Pittsburgh will give us Jordan Staal for Franzen, 2 prospects, and a 1st rounder in 2013.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/23/12 at 10:35 AM ET

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Posted by Russian Rocket on 04/23/12 at 09:22 AM ET

Burke hates those long-term contracts,

Though if he were interested I’m sure Holland could pull two firsts from Burke.

Posted by Garth on 04/23/12 at 10:36 AM ET

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Maybe we’ll get stupidly lucky and Pittsburgh will give us Jordan Staal for Franzen, 2 prospects, and a 1st rounder in 2013.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/23/12 at 09:35 AM ET

I’m going to say a big no thanks to having anyone from that team.

Posted by BrendonR on 04/23/12 at 10:45 AM ET

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Posted by BrendonR from Toronto, ON on 04/23/12 at 09:45 AM ET

I will balance that out with a big ole’ YES PLEASE!

Posted by Garth on 04/23/12 at 11:11 AM ET

cementslinger's avatar

Franzen for Getzlaf.  Which one would you rather have on your team?

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 04/23/12 at 11:35 AM ET

RWBill's avatar

I don’t know what The Franchise’s evaluation of Mule is, but I did catch Babcock’s drift early in the playoffs, ” If you want to play in space go play in a different league, or create your own space.”

Franzen did spend a lot of time cruising with his stick parallel to the ice even after that.  Of course his one big goal came off the back of his calf when he wasn’t looking, so there’s that.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/23/12 at 11:38 AM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Franzen for Getzlaf.  Which one would you rather have on your team?

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 04/23/12 at 10:35 AM ET

I’d take Getzlaf, but let’s not pretend that’s a one-for-one trade. We’d have to throw more pieces Anaheim’s way to get the balding wonder coming off a disappointing season.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/23/12 at 11:38 AM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/23/12 at 10:38 AM ET

Add Kindl.

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 04/23/12 at 11:48 AM ET

11B4PF7 in MN's avatar

Just as Heaton suggested, trading Franzen and then signing semin is a horrible idea.  Until Shane Doan destroyed Franzen last year in the playoffs, at least Franzen produced in the playoffs (past tense there).  Semin is notorious for being invisible in the playoffs.

As for moving a contract like Franzen’s, well it only takes one dumb ass GM to make that happen.  I am not advocating KH trades Franzen, but i do not believe for one second that his contract cannot be moved.  Not only did Scott Gomez get moved; the NYR fleeced MTL in that trade.  Big contracts attached to talent can still be moved—Brian Campbell.  Who knows, we may see Lecavilier get traded for Luongo this summer.

Posted by 11B4PF7 in MN on 04/23/12 at 11:54 AM ET

RWBill's avatar

It is a certainty that if we did move Franzen and ever played him in the playoffs he would go off royal.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/23/12 at 12:07 PM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/23/12 at 09:35 AM ET

I agree, would really like to have Staal.  I think he’s got a huge upside. Big body center and an absolute beast on the penalty kill.  Oh God, I sound like Pierre :/

Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Nyc by way of A2 on 04/23/12 at 12:12 PM ET

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Something fishy is going on. We have known for years that when the Wings lose in the playoffs, the Chief goes into weeks of radio silence.

Now 4 posts in 24 hours? Don’t get me wrong, I am loving it, but I wonder when the ransom call comes in? “We need 12 cases of PBR, or you never see him again. And don’t call NCIS”

Posted by dougie on 04/23/12 at 12:27 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Datsyuk Selke Finalist

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/23/12 at 12:38 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

What if we could add 2 players for 55 goals, 105 points, 12 game winning goals, a combined plus 33 rating, all for under $7 M cap hit?  I’ve found a couple of players that fit that criteria.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/23/12 at 01:00 PM ET

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What if we could add 2 players for 55 goals, 105 points, 12 game winning goals, a combined plus 33 rating, all for under $7 M cap hit?  I’ve found a couple of players that fit that criteria.

I’m gonna borrow from the boilerplate from “financial innovators”
My urologist also told my wife the same thing.

“Past performance may not be indicative of future results.”

Posted by dougie on 04/23/12 at 01:16 PM ET

Nate A's avatar

What if we could add 2 players for 55 goals, 105 points, 12 game winning goals, a combined plus 33 rating, all for under $7 M cap hit?  I’ve found a couple of players that fit that criteria.

I’ll bite. What ya got? Hudler and Franzen?

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 04/23/12 at 01:35 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

I’ll bite. What ya got? Hudler and Franzen?

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 04/23/12 at 12:35 PM ET

Yeah, hahaha.  That doesn’t look so good now hahaha.

Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/23/12 at 02:03 PM ET

mrfluffy's avatar

It’s still too early in the offseason (on a Monday, to boot) to be quoting Meatloaf lyrics.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 04/23/12 at 02:35 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Meatloaf

That’s what dougie’s wife said.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/23/12 at 03:15 PM ET

Little Redhead's avatar

Bottom line - Redwings get NO RESPECT… Frankly I see a bunch of bullies out there (that are protected by Mr. Commissioner- Gary B) beating up on everyone, and I am surprised more haven’t gotten seriously hurt.  Don’t get me wrong, I like the fights and sometimes I believe they are needed as well as warranted.  But taking someone’s head (Zetterberg) in their hands (Weber-Jerk) and banging it on the glass is NOT HOCKEY, and when there’s no accountability, only a fine of $2500, well that’s no punishment or lesson learned, heaven can only help the next guy he decides to bang.

Babcocked said “Teams could check Z (Henrik Zetterberg) and Pav (Pavel Datsyuk) like crazy and get away with it.’’ Detroit AP 4/22/2012

You can bring in new, young players, but Skills is only half of it, you have to put them together to work as a team, communication is key, not just throwing a bunch of new players into the mix.

Just my Two Cents. Lets Go Red Wings!!!

Posted by Little Redhead from the Engineer's chair on 04/23/12 at 04:20 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

heaven can only help the next guy he decides to bang.

That’s what dougie’s wife said.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/23/12 at 05:46 PM ET

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I don’t see Mule being dealt. Holland is too proud of a guy to see a player he signed 2 years ago to a contract to keep him a Wing be traded. I noticed watching him in the playoffs as well, his conditioning is terrible. Numerous times on the ice he was caught standing around or barely moving because of how tired he was. His value is overstated by the Wings and I think its something Ken Holland will regret in the future and will hopefully push him away from being so loyal and giving to his own prospects.

I think if Babcock calls him out personally in training camp, he might play to his potential. Seems like the guy got too comfortable with knowing he was going to be paired with Datsyuk and IMO that’s what led to his laziness…I’ll let Pav do all the work and just float.

Posted by Jeremy from Toledo, OH on 04/23/12 at 05:54 PM ET

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I don’t like Franzen being a bum.  But does everybody what to seriously run this guy outta town after one bad playoff performance?  So soon everybody forgets the fact he virtually brought this team to the Stanley Cup on his own in 08.  Stupid.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 04/23/12 at 07:44 PM ET

Rondo's avatar

Maybe we could just brainwash/hypnotize him into thinking it’s the summer of ‘07 so he thinks he has to work for a new contract? Could work

Posted by Rondo on 04/23/12 at 08:30 PM ET

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Stupid.

How about three lackluster regular seasons, streakiness, an i-don’t-give-a-shit attitude and two intensity-free playoffs?

I’d love to trade him for someone who gives a damn about hockey.

Osgood also played really f*cking well in the 08 and 09 playoffs, should he still be the Red Wings’ goalie?

Nobody knew what he was when he signed the long-term contract.  Unfortunately he turned out to be Alexander Mogilny, who should never have ever been signed to anything but one-year deals because he only gave a damn during contract years.

Unfortunately Johan Franzen’s next contract year is 2019-2020.

Posted by Garth on 04/23/12 at 08:52 PM ET

monkey's avatar

I’m not opposed to trading Franzen, but I do find it funny that some people want to trade Franzen but sign Semin.

Examples, please.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 04/23/12 at 09:03 PM ET

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I don’t see Mule being dealt. Holland is too proud of a guy to see a player he signed 2 years ago to a contract to keep him a Wing be traded. I noticed watching him in the playoffs as well, his conditioning is terrible. Numerous times on the ice he was caught standing around or barely moving because of how tired he was. His value is overstated by the Wings and I think its something Ken Holland will regret in the future and will hopefully push him away from being so loyal and giving to his own prospects.

I think if Babcock calls him out personally in training camp, he might play to his potential. Seems like the guy got too comfortable with knowing he was going to be paired with Datsyuk and IMO that’s what led to his laziness…I’ll let Pav do all the work and just float.

Everything you said about Franzen is a reason the Wings should want to move him.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 04/23/12 at 09:05 PM ET

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The problem with moving Franzen is the high likelihood that wherever he goes, especially if it’s in the East, he’ll be a monster, and everyone will say Holland was stupid to let him go.  It’s a no-win scenario, I’m telling you all now.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 04/23/12 at 09:10 PM ET

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The problem with moving Franzen… It’s a no-win scenario, I’m telling you all now.
Posted by monkey from lighting my nuts on fire on 04/23/12 at 08:10 PM ET

It is that, that’s for sure.

So immediately after being bounced from the playoffs, a major reason being inability to score goals for the second playoffs in a row, Detroit fans want to jettison their two leading goal scorers.

Little wonder they call us fanatics.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/23/12 at 09:48 PM ET

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A goal Chris Neil kicked into Rangers net by his skate with a soccer-style kicking motion was allowed to stand by the Toronto war room after a review. That call made it a one-goal game with 25 seconds left. Ottawa still lost 2-3.

You will never see a more clear-cut no goal, guaranteed. The Mission Control hit a new level in ignoring every written hockey rule to crank up drama and excitement.

Check it out. It’s laughable.

Posted by Alex on 04/23/12 at 10:58 PM ET

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