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Boons Or Busts?

from Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press,

Here is a look at the best lower-round picks and the worst higher-round picks the Wings made between 1999 (the last draft to still have an active player on the team) and running through 2012 (players need time to develop). 

Boons

F Gustav Nyquist
Drafted:
Fourth round, 121st overall, 2008.

How the selection turned out: After producing 21 points in 15 games with the Griffins to start the 2013-14 season, Nyquist was called up and went on to score 28 goals for the Wings. He followed up with 27 in 2014-15, often finding himself on a line with Zetterberg or Datsyuk. Nyquist’s production fell to 12 goals in 2016-17 (a season that saw many Wings struggle) but he bounced back in 2017-18 to record 21 goals. His NHL playoff history is meager, with eight points in 35 games. Nyquist is not an assertive player, but he’s shown he can score on a talented team.

Grade: B.

Busts

F Tomas Jurco
Drafted:
Second round, 35th overall, 2011.

How the selection turned out: It looked promising when Jurco produced 15 points during 36 games with the Wings in 2013-14, and the following season Mike Babcock wanted Jurco on the team, leading to Andrej Nestrasil being put on waivers. Babcock’s insistence baffled, as Jurco struggled to scored and finished 2014-15 with just thee goals and 18 points in 63 games. When Jurco wasn’t a healthy scratch in 2015-16, he registered six points in 44 games. Jurco had 15 goals and 24 assists in 159 career games with Detroit when the Wings traded him to Chicago in February of 2017 for a third-round pick. He wasn't any better with the Blackhawks, scoring one goal in 13 games when he wasn't a healthy scratch. After 10 points in 29 games last season, the Blackhawks did not qualify Jurco.

Grade: D.

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Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

No way is Nyquist a Grade B. Unless, B is for Bad. He’s as soft a player as I have seen. Never in the mix, always on the edge of any play that might result in a hit in order to make a good play. Whatever….....

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 08/04/18 at 01:39 PM ET

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I also have been very disappointed with Nyquist.  He has not been near the player he was in college.

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 08/04/18 at 01:52 PM ET

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Nike still has potential, which is why I think he’s still considered a “boon”. Players like Jurco and Sheahan are rightfully “busts”. Those players have no potential left, and it was long past time to cut the cord and let them become another organization’s problem. That doesn’t mean I agree that Nike is a “B” grade, as that’s a little high. B-/C+ perhaps, but not a straight-up B.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 08/04/18 at 02:24 PM ET

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No way is Nyquist a Grade B. Unless, B is for Bad. He’s as soft a player as I have seen. Never in the mix, always on the edge of any play that might result in a hit in order to make a good play. Whatever….....

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 08/04/18 at 01:39 PM ET

He’s a 4th round pick that’s then scored 109 NHL goals (with seasons of 28 and 27), and 246 pts… and is still only 28 years old.

Yeah, no.  That’s a Boon, not a Bust or Bad, no matter how you slice it.  4th rounders don’t do that very often.

I also have been very disappointed with Nyquist.  He has not been near the player he was in college.

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 08/04/18 at 01:52 PM ET

He’s not the same player he was his first two real seasons.  There’s a reason for that.

Quick, name a Wings forward in the last decade or so that has shown scoring prowess that the staff has then not coached it right out of them and seen their numbers drop.

That’s not an accident, and that’s not just on the player.  That an organization so obsessed with making “two way” players that they ruin the offensive talents they have.  I’m really hoping they’re over that finally…


I’ve often wondered what Igor Grigorenko might have done had he not been in that car accident.  Everything we heard about him before the accident (talking about Datsyuk-level of hype), we didn’t really see that after.  He’s gone on to an awfully nice KHL career since though.

Posted by Primis on 08/04/18 at 04:09 PM ET

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Players like Nyquist are a good example of the unreasonable hype we have regarding middle of the pack prospects. He shouldn’t have been expected to be a top minute, elite, zetterberg caliber player, but it seems that what we always expected of him.

And year after year of not having first round picks or late round picks will lead to this, I think. Our expectations for a 4th round pick like Nyquist were much higher than now days when we’re drafting 3 players in the first 35 picks.

Posted by TreKronor on 08/04/18 at 05:12 PM ET

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St. James characterization of Grigorenko breaking his leg in a car accident is putting it mildly….the kid went through the windshield of the car he was in….he did in fact break his leg, but he also suffered a pulmonary embolism, and nearly died because of it.  Rather than a F for a failed draft pick, how about M for miraculous the kid even returned to hockey after what he experienced.  confused

Posted by Down River Dan on 08/04/18 at 06:12 PM ET

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He’s a 4th round pick that’s then scored 109 NHL goals (with seasons of 28 and 27), and 246 pts… and is still only 28 years old.

Yeah, no.  That’s a Boon, not a Bust or Bad, no matter how you slice it.  4th rounders don’t do that very often.

This.

He averages more than 20 goals a season and he’s a bust? He averages 48 points a season and he’s bad?

Get a hold of yourselves, people.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 08/04/18 at 06:20 PM ET

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Players like Nyquist are a good example of the unreasonable hype we have regarding middle of the pack prospects. He shouldn’t have been expected to be a top minute, elite, zetterberg caliber player, but it seems that what we always expected of him.

Posted by TreKronor on 08/04/18 at 05:12 PM ET

I wouldn’t go that far.

He showed he could really score.  He showed he could control (remember that goal where he kept the puck skating around the entire offensive zone like twice?).  He even showed a knack early on for stripping the puck from opponents.  He genuinely looked like he might be Datsyuk Lite.

So it’s not like he just maintained what he was doing and that wasn’t good enough.  He did regress.

However, as I noted above, I blame the coaches for a lot of that.

Posted by Primis on 08/04/18 at 09:24 PM ET

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Exactly. Nyquist was an excellent pick. Him an Tatar were not the next “Pav and Z” like the fans wished and Holland was quoted on saying.

Posted by VFUSION on 08/04/18 at 09:28 PM ET

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https://youtu.be/ZApUqhRnmWk

Posted by ilovehomers on 08/04/18 at 10:06 PM ET

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Exactly. Nyquist was an excellent pick. Him an Tatar were not the next “Pav and Z” like the fans wished and Holland was quoted on saying.

Posted by VFUSION on 08/04/18 at 09:28 PM ET

You got that quote handy? I don’t remember him saying that but I don’t follow every Holland nugget. I remember him being asked if they were, and he said their kids they need to grow we’ll see, etc. etc.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 08/06/18 at 09:12 AM ET

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