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And The Analysts Say

from Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News,

The Detroit News surveyed several longtime NHL analysts around North America to get their opinion on the Red Wings....

Here are their thoughts:

Where do you think the Red Wings are in their rebuild? They’ve missed the playoffs for three consecutive seasons and most of the roster will likely remain the same heading into next season. Is there noticeable progress?

- Barry Melrose, ESPN analyst: They have to get better on defense but their forwards are good. They’re fast. For the most part, in today’s NHL, if you can get a big, fast guy it’s better than a small, fast guy, and Detroit has a lot of bigger guys. You don’t have to go further than Colorado. They used a lot of draft picks on fast guys and they’re a contender. It just goes to show you have to skate in today’s NHL and Kenny had the framework for that and I’m sure Stevie will continue.

-Kevin Weekes, NHL Network analyst: This current cast of young players is improving. Kenny leaves Steve in a good spot and a good place based on some of those players, be it Andreas Athanasiou, Larkin, Mantha, who has a big ceiling, and on the back end Cholowski and Zadina are on the way on the roster. They’re in a good place. They’ve stocked the pond.

-Mike Zeisberger, NHL.com national correspondent: I like where they are going. Zadina, (Joe) Veleno, guys like that, they haven’t had really high picks even during this rebuild, but I really like some of their young people. To me, up front, this is the most promising foundation of young forwards than I’ve seen in Detroit since they started this rebuild in a while.

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Alan's avatar

I find some of these responses interesting., even inspiring a little bit of optimism.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 05/08/19 at 04:27 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Holland was on Fan590 in Toronto today, talking Oilers and Wings.

Just under 12 minutes to listen.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/08/19 at 07:11 PM ET

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looking back to look forward ... I think the red wings put all of their proverbial eggs in one basket when they bet on Mrazek being their goalie of the future.  If he didn’t turn out to be such a douchebag they probably would have eeked in to the playoffs this past season.  Now we have to wait 2 or 3 more years to see if Larsson pans out.

Big changes coming on D the next couple of years will re-shape the team.

Just a few more kids up front and its a matter of letting them get experience and round out into real NHL players.

Rebuild progress I’d say we’re at about the 30% mark.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/08/19 at 11:45 PM ET

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Pretty good article by Ted. Enjoyed reading everyone’s take.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 05/09/19 at 09:03 AM ET

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In other news,

via CapFriendly tweet,

Detroit #RedWings have resigned Dylan McIlrath to a 2 year / 2-way contract extension. Both seasons breakdown the same way.

NHL: $700,000
Minor: $275,000
Guaranteed: $325,000

McIlrath was set to be an Unrestricted FA this summer prior to his resigning.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/09/19 at 09:05 AM ET

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Ty Paul.
interesting that most of the people with NHL and / or professional hockey experience emphasize the positives that Holland has done and the position he has left the Red Wings in, while fans bang on the drum that he hasn’t done anything right in 10 years.

Posted by RWBill on 05/09/19 at 09:41 AM ET

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interesting that most of the people with NHL and / or professional hockey experience emphasize the positives that Holland has done and the position he has left the Red Wings in

Yeah, isn’t it absolutely, mind-bogglingly INCREDIBLE that the the media and folks affiliated with the league aren’t all piling on and talking about the negative things that Holland did????

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/09/19 at 09:48 AM ET

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DETROIT - The Detroit Red Wings today signed defenseman Dylan McIlrath to a two-year contract extension.

McIlrath, 27, served as an alternate captain for the American Hockey League’s Grand Rapids Griffins this season and appeared in 52 games with the team, posting 10 points (1-9-10) and ranking among team leaders with a plus-13 rating (3rd) and 98 penalty minutes (1st). He also appeared in four postseason games with the team and was a plus-one with 10 penalty minutes during the team’s first-round series loss. McIlrath, who was originally acquired by Detroit on March 1, 2017 in a trade from Florida, made his Red Wings debut in 2018-19 on March 25 at San Jose and went on to appear in seven games with the team, totaling a plus-two rating and four penalty minutes. He has skated in 149 AHL games with Grand Rapids over the past three seasons, posting 31 points (8-23-31), a plus-18 rating and 259 penalty minutes, in addition to five points (0-5-5) and 39 penalty minutes in 28 playoff games. The Winnipeg, Manitoba, native was a member of the Griffins’ 2017 Calder Cup championship team.

Originally a first-round pick (10th overall) of the New York Rangers in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, McIlrath has totaled 353 AHL games with the Connecticut Whale, Hartford Wolf Pack, Springfield Thunderbirds and Griffins since 2010-11, recording 74 points (21-53-74), a plus-28 rating and 760 penalty minutes. He has also played in 50 NHL games for New York, Florida and Detroit, notching five points (3-2-5), a plus-six rating and 98 penalty minutes. Prior to turning professional, McIlrath skated in 232 Western Hockey League games for the Moose Jaw Warriors, posting 74 points (16-58-74) and 551 penalty minutes from 2008-12, adding seven assists and 48 penalty minutes in 27 postseason contests.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/09/19 at 10:34 AM ET

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Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/09/19 at 09:48 AM ET

Everybody loves someone once their dead.  tongue wink People are sentimental when someone leaves them. It’s human nature. And for the media it’s the dog pile mentality to be in on the in thing.

Holland has done some good things in the last few years especially draft wise, but his last big signings of Neilsen and Daly are flops. He had too many flops and that is what did him in the last 10 years.

Also not finding a Dmen(s) to replace Rafalski and Lidstrom was absurd. And I am not saying someone of their caliber but a good foundation of steady dmen would have been very advantageous to this team. Smith, Kindl, and on were flops. FA signing of Dmen; flops.

One draft I think they took mostly Centers and a few wingers and no dmen (I cannot recall the year). This is after Lidstrom left. WTF? Absurd.

I hope and pray to the Hockey Gods Yzerman has better strategy and luck building this team. Ken Holland is gone and I am good with it. And believe me, I am not a believer in The Greener Pasture, but change was needed even though Kenny brought in many good pieces to the rebuild (AA, Mantha, Larking, Lil Bert).

And if comments like mine drove him away, then I am good with that also.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 05/09/19 at 11:05 AM ET

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Paul, as a member of “the media” how do you feel about the general mistrust of it? It sure seems you guys can’t get any breaks.

Sadly, I feel the disdain for the media stems from the fact that there are too many Barry Melrose types, opinion it’s not needing to be responsible for what they say and “report”, and true journalists who do the hard work of researching topics and providing real evidence in their stories. I think people have a hard time differentiating between the two.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 05/09/19 at 12:15 PM ET

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howe… I don’t consider myself a member of the “media” at all.

I receive all media emails and notes, can go to games if I so choose, have been told I could join the PHWA, but have not.

I look at the media as most others do, some very good ones, some iffy and some not so good.

I choose to follow the good ones and on occasion will note the iffy and not so good ones.

A matter of choice for me just as it should be for all who follow the game.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/09/19 at 12:19 PM ET

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interesting that most of the people with NHL and / or professional hockey experience emphasize the positives that Holland has done and the position he has left the Red Wings in, while fans bang on the drum that he hasn’t done anything right in 10 years.

Posted by RWBill on 05/09/19 at 09:41 AM ET

After the organizational crippling playoff streak ended, Holland did a good job tearing down what he could, and building this team out.  Watching the post season, outside of Boston, who let’s face it, will likley win the cup, they’re by far the best team left,  the driving focus of these team have been offense and speed, and not premier Dmen.  Sharks have 2 but they’re also more offensive minded vs. shut own guys, puck movers none the less.

big signings of Neilsen and Daly are flops.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 05/09/19 at 11:05 AM ET

Flops I guess, I wouldn’t go any farther on either.  when you consider that Larkin was an unknown at that point, and the Wings were unsure whether he would develop into a center or moreso how long that would take. We needed a #2 center for a couple of season when he signed him, he was the best of the bunch, as with most UFAs he ended up being overpaid. 

Daley helped his first year no question we didn’t have depth ready, and if he would’ve been healthy this year, he would’ve been a nice trade chip, still might be in the offseason.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/09/19 at 12:56 PM ET

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Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod’s Bandwagon on 05/09/19 at 12:56 PM ET

Daly was good his first year I agree and I mentioned it here how he carried Ericsson most of that season and made him look better than he was. But when you bring in players that have long injury histories such as Daly, Green, Erik Cole and on and on, that are in their early thirties plus they are susceptible to getting injured become not useful to the team. To me, this is a flop. Kenny did this again and again and again bringing in aged injury prone players.

And look at the D they have drafted before the last two drafts. No where to be found. Maybe on the Griffins. Tom Fooler I say!

muy mal muy mal

 

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 05/09/19 at 01:52 PM ET

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