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A Veteran Defenseman May Be Needed By The Wings

from Max Bultman of The Athletic,

Scott Cruickshank has written that Travis Hamonic and Erik Gustafsson are likely out in Calgary. Justin Schultz certainly seems to be in Pittsburgh, and the unsuccessful Tyson Barrie experiment in Toronto likely means he’ll be a free agent as well. Sami Vatanen is scheduled to hit the market out of Carolina, too.

All of those players offer less upside than Krug, with arguably similar risk on a medium-term deal since they’re not starting from the same elite ground as him. A marginally shorter term length and lower cap hit, though, would be advantages.

Scott Cruickshank has written that Travis Hamonic and Erik Gustafsson are likely out in Calgary. Justin Schultz certainly seems to be in Pittsburgh, and the unsuccessful Tyson Barrie experiment in Toronto likely means he’ll be a free agent as well. Sami Vatanen is scheduled to hit the market out of Carolina, too.

All of those players offer less upside than Krug, with arguably similar risk on a medium-term deal since they’re not starting from the same elite ground as him. A marginally shorter term length and lower cap hit, though, would be advantages....

Chris Tanev, if Vancouver doesn’t extend him, could be an interesting candidate after helping the Canucks turn the corner in their rebuild....

Fellow right-hander Trevor van Riemsdyk profiles as a true defensive defenseman, and could provide the short-term veteran stability the Red Wings need. Other short-term veteran options could include Mark Borowiecki in Ottawa, or Michael Del Zotto in Anaheim.

more ($$$) and yest Torey Krug is mentioned first...

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We’ve sort of been over this, yes, but unless Krug somehow
wants to be paid not much more than he would be in Boston
I’m not sure how the timing lines up with Detroit’s rebuild.
For him or for the Wings. And he didn’t have the best playoffs either.

If the cap stays flat for awhile as sounds plausible it might make more sense for Detroit to use that space to get assets or pry good players from teams in cap trouble.

Posted by lefty.30 on 08/31/20 at 01:36 PM ET

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Vatanen was good for his brief time in Carolina.

van Riemsdyk could be a decent stabilizing player
on a lower pairing for Detroit. Agree we need another veteran
who can defend and help the younger players break in.

Gustafsson isn’t bad if you want more of a one dimensional offensive type.
Schultz’s stock is certainly low but I wouldn’t want to make a serious commitment there.

Among bigger names, I’m not sure it’s worth the overpayment that would probably be necessary to sign Barrie. No to Ceci too, for that matter.

Don’t see Hamonic signing in the East or Borowiecki leaving Ottawa.
Del Zotto was just a depth player in Anaheim.

My guess is Stevie makes maybe a slightly bigger version of a Nemeth type signing.

The roster definitely needs some grit that can play a regular shift but perhaps that will be Smith as a fourth line forward.

Posted by lefty.30 on 08/31/20 at 01:48 PM ET

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Victimizing cap strapped teams is the best course of action going forward.  Hang onto it and wait for a good deal.  With so much room for improvement and opportunity available on this team we should have 0 problem with effort every night.  The rest is learning.  Just have to wait. 

Goaltending in the other hand I feel is absolutely a spot we could splurge a little for an upgrade and itd be evident 60 minutes on the ice.

Posted by ThatGuy on 08/31/20 at 03:01 PM ET

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I’m thinking Gustafsson is the guy on like a 3 year deal where we might have to overpay. Really need a LD to help with transition.

Posted by bizuce on 08/31/20 at 03:05 PM ET

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I would like to see the Wings sign Joel Edmondson. I doubt they would have to overpay in term or dollars to land him, and I think he would add bite and stability to the blue line. Ditto for van Riemsdyk. 

The real difference makers would require an overpay in term, dollars, or both in order to get them to come to Detroit. That will hurt us as much as it helps us in the long run.

The best chance the Wings have to improve their roster is to weaponize their cap space. So many teams will be desperate to move salary, and hopefully the Wings will use that leverage to land another first round pick, an impact player, or both. They will have enough cap room to make a few deals if they choose to do so.  If they don’t turn that cap room into assets, it will be a wasted opportunity they might never have again.

Posted by MikeO on 08/31/20 at 04:55 PM ET

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I completely agree with ThatGuy that getting a good goalie, either by trade or UFA singing, needs to be the top priority.  I pray that talk of them going after Holtby is just hot air because that would be beyond stupid if it’s true.  His game has been in a steady decline for two years, AND supposedly he wants a contract like Bobrovski.  Signing him for any significant term or dollars would be a complete failure, in my opinion.

The sheer number of goalies on the market should keep them from having to drastically overpay to land one.

Posted by MikeO on 08/31/20 at 05:41 PM ET

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I like Edmundson a lot, too.

He’s big and tough and a good defender without being dirty
or a penalty magnet. And he’s put up some points recently, too.
He’s also fairly young for a UFA.

For those reasons, he might be priced beyond a reasonable
raise - at least for a team like Detroit that won’t sniff the postseason
anytime soon.

And if Carolina is going to let van Riemsdyk and Vatanan walk,
it may be in part so they can ink one of the few bigger defenders they have.

I wouldn’t be opposed to either van Riemsdyk or Vatanan on a reasonable
shorter-term deal. Such is life for a rebuilding team: either you wildly overpay
or you look for supporting players at bargain prices.

Posted by lefty.30 on 08/31/20 at 07:15 PM ET

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Victimizing cap strapped teams is the best course of action going forward.

Sounds like the best option to me as there may be several possibilities for Steve Yzerman to take advantage of with cap space. Trust the captain. grin

Posted by bigfrog on 08/31/20 at 08:34 PM ET

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Lefty30 I agree that Carolina will probably make an attempt to to resign Edmondson, but I doubt they could give him what he can make on the open market.  They already have Hamilton, Slavin, Pesce, Skjei (who they traded a first rd pick for), Gardiner, Fleury and Bean.  Hamilton only has one year left on his deal, but Slavin (5), Pesce (4 yrs)  and Gardiner (3) all have lengthy contracts, and I assume they will try to resign Hamilton before his deal expires.  I don’t know how high they are on Fleury, but I know they think a lot of Bean, which I assume means they see him as part of their future. 

With that in mind, they can’t afford to give Edmondson the type of contract (term or $) he could land on the open market.  If he does resign with them, it will be at a discount because he REALLY likes playing there.  Unless his agent is dangerously incompetent, he will tell Edmondson to see what he can get on the UFA market. He can always go back and sign with Carolina if that is what he really wants, but it would be a blunder of epic proportions if he didn’t wait to see what he can get on the UFA market.  Players wait years to get the opportunity to test the UFA market. Knowing what the Carolina depth chart looks like, I would be surprised if Edmondson resigned there without at least seeing how the UFA market shakes out.

Posted by MikeO on 08/31/20 at 11:06 PM ET

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Food for thought how will covid affect RFAs willingness to sit out over negotiations.

Posted by ThatGuy on 08/31/20 at 11:47 PM ET

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True, Mike.

Carolina has so many D they shed a couple and are still absurdly stacked.
Maybe Fleury has finally emerged as enough of a physical player
Edmondson isn’t as much of a need as a luxury?

He will definitely be in demand league-wide, though.

But I totally agree about him as a priority for Detroit to try
to sign, though within reason. He isn’t going to make or break anything
for us but fits the bill and could still be useful in a couple to few years
when the Wings are hopefully much better overall.

Posted by lefty.30 on 09/01/20 at 12:56 AM ET

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The Wings are one of only a handful of teams with any cap space this offseason, so the number of teams bidding on any given player will limited.  This leads me to believe their chances of landing a mid tier D like Edmondson or van Riemsdyk are better than they would be in a typical offseason.  The flat cap for the next three years is going to force a number of teams to change their long term plans, which up to that point were based on incremental increases to the cap each year.  In other words, the number of “buyers” on the market will be reduced dramatically.

Obviously I can’t predict how everything will play out, but I think the Wings have a decent chance of landing the type of D that can help get them through the next few seasons until the young defenders we have are ready to take on bigger roles. As long as the contract is reasonable (both in term and dollars), it would be a big step in the right direction.

Posted by MikeO on 09/01/20 at 02:36 PM ET

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